Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Gaylord du Bois]

Joshua Kimmich: Bayern Munich player suffers lung trouble after Covid

Bayern Munich utility man Joshua Kimmich is ruled out until the New Year after suffering a lung problem as a result of Covid-19.

www.bbc.co.uk

You can't take this shit for granted. It's one tricky bastard.

 

[hilts]

So make the vaccine totally mandatory then?
partially in agreement to be honest.

the whole conversation has veered from me initially pulling up someone whos words (i think without double checking) were “fuck em, send em home and let em die”. Which i likened to to the usual keyboard warrior statement of “if it was me id have leathered em”. Which they wouldnt do on either count

we have an NHS that treats everyone as we all pay in and you cant start changing the rules.

You can’t change rules? Not heard that one. Is it in the Magna Carta?

Don’t accuse others of nonsense when you are head of the class fella, in the corner you go:-)

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Back in Sep Sage predicted a best case scenario of 2000 to 7000 hospital admissions a day and a worst case of 10s of thousand a day by mid October. When in fact we never reached a thousand.

Then we got predictions of up to 60000 people dying of influenza this winter, I could be wrong but as yet i havent seen widespread flu deaths reported as yet although accept winter has only just started.

I am hopeful and expect that Omnicron wont be anywhere near as bad as they are making out, early indications are it is a mild illness in RSA which results in few critical care hospital admissions, but we are not RSA as our vaccination rate is much greater. That said the extra precautions are sensible at this stage until we can confirm the above. Just a shame that so many in the hospitality sector will suffer again.

 

[Marvin]

I wonder why the mutations seen in Omicron have not been seen in other strains? Hints at an immune-compromised source? If the individual mutations that define Omicron were advantageous then we would have seen them before on purely a statistical basis? In which case I think that each mutation is possibly deleterious or neutral and it is only when they are combined that it confers advantage. This suggests that for it form it would need to be in a single host?

 

[Bluewonder]

Back in Sep Sage predicted a best case scenario of 2000 to 7000 hospital admissions a day and a worst case of 10s of thousand a day by mid October. When in fact we never reached a thousand.

Then we got predictions of up to 60000 people dying of influenza this winter, I could be wrong but as yet i havent seen widespread flu deaths reported as yet although accept winter has only just started.

I am hopeful and expect that Omnicron wont be anywhere near as bad as they are making out, early indications are it is a mild illness in RSA which results in few critical care hospital admissions, but we are not RSA as our vaccination rate is much greater. That said the extra precautions are sensible at this stage until we can confirm the above. Just a shame that so many in the hospitality sector will suffer again.

SAGE predict all sorts of nonsense which is then used to fuck up people's lives. The situation we are in is totally mental.

 

[Marvin]

Back in Sep Sage predicted a best case scenario of 2000 to 7000 hospital admissions a day and a worst case of 10s of thousand a day by mid October. When in fact we never reached a thousand.

Then we got predictions of up to 60000 people dying of influenza this winter, I could be wrong but as yet i havent seen widespread flu deaths reported as yet although accept winter has only just started.

I am hopeful and expect that Omnicron wont be anywhere near as bad as they are making out, early indications are it is a mild illness in RSA which results in few critical care hospital admissions, but we are not RSA as our vaccination rate is much greater. That said the extra precautions are sensible at this stage until we can confirm the above. Just a shame that so many in the hospitality sector will suffer again.

The easy bit is the growth rate. We also now know that the boosters should work. In fact if the Pfizer CEO is right, then the boosters will not only prevent serious illness they will protect against infection, or may be I read too much into his soundbites. The unknown seems to be the clinical effects. I struggle to understand why if it's more transmissible it is at the same time less virulent? I thought the spike protein's job was to fuse to the human cell so if it is better at doing that, how can it be milder?

 

[SWP's back]

I wonder why the mutations seen in Omicron have not been seen in other strains? Hints at an immune-compromised source? If the individual mutations that define Omicron were advantageous then we would have seen them before on purely a statistical basis? In which case I think that each mutation is possibly deleterious or neutral and it is only when they are combined that it confers advantage. This suggests that for it form it would need to be in a single host?

Or that it moved out of human to an animal and then came back into humans again and thus we haven’t seen the genetic evolution as deer/spring bok etc aren’t tested in the same way.

 

[BlueHammer85]

SAGE predict all sorts of nonsense which is then used to fuck up people's lives. The situation we are in is totally mental.

Not having enough hospital beds, ICU and nurses is not the fault of SAGE and it’s the reason we are where we are.

 

[Marvin]

SAGE predict all sorts of nonsense which is then used to fuck up people's lives. The situation we are in is totally mental.

It is but the uncertainty is due to a novel virus that people are trying to get to grips with.

 

[Marvin]

Or that it moved out of human to an animal and then came back into humans again and thus we haven’t seen the genetic evolution as deer/spring bok etc aren’t tested in the same way.

That works! I think the immune-compromised human host is more likely though as I think it's more or less proven that this has happened before.