Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Bluewonder]

The problem with your last sentence is that people will be self deciding the best way through the pandemic, not only for themselves, but on behalf of others too. That imo, is not a good way fwd.

There is no way forward for a democratic society apart from that mentioned - IE people living their lives as they see fit.

 

[blueparrot]

There is no way forward for a democratic society apart from that mentioned - IE people living their lives as they see fit.

That has never been the way democratic society works and never will be. The only thing that changes is were linees are drawn. There are always rules.

 

[Gogootz]

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On the covid numbers wasn't the 500K with no measures in place? We hit over a fifth of that with locking everything down so surely without it would've been close?

 

[Blue Note]

The problem here is the NHS is not fit for purpose and they are using covid as a smokescreen. We keep being told this new scariant might overwhelm the NHS. The NHS is already overwhelmed. The total number of NHS hospital beds in England has more than halved in the past 30 years, from around 299,000 in 1987/88 to 141,000 in 2019/20. In 1988, the UK population was 56.9 million. Today, it’s 68.4 million.

At the moment more than 10,000 beds are occupied by seniors who are ready to be discharged, but can’t be, because the social care crisis means that there is a massive shortage of carers available to look after seniors in their own homes.

Neither covid nor Winter flu is overwhelming the NHS. It has been systematically destroyed by successive governments. It hasn’t been mismanaged, it has been deliberately undermined

Imposing life-sucking, authoritarian restrictions on society has got nothing to do with protecting the National Health Service or keeping people safe. It’s all about the jabs.

6 million people are still unjabbed in the UK. These are the people that will be blamed and vilified for the reintroduction of lockdowns. Society will be calling for a mandate soon, and play straight in to their hands.

 

[M18CTID]

What restrictions have you been living with in the last few months? It's a lack of restrictions that has got the UK in an absolute mess.

What “absolute mess” is this? If you’re talking about previous waves and the government being slow to react then I’d agree, but since pretty much all restrictions were lifted in July the UK has been able to function relatively normally without things ever getting out of control. For the record, I’d have still had mandatory mask wearing in shops and on public transport and when I was in Tenerife last week that was the only significant difference in restrictions between there and the UK. Oh, and they also have a policy of wearing your mask before being seated in a bar or restaurant.

Just before Omicron came along, much of Central Europe was being hit by a huge wave and even countries like Germany - where restrictions are greater all over with even some regional lockdowns imposed - have been reporting daily death numbers over the past few weeks that are 2 or 3 times those of the UK. Yet that wave never hit the UK and it’s been argued that the reason for that is because we perhaps had more immunity overall through either past infection or vaccination.

The “absolute mess” we’re seeing now in terms of rapidly rising case numbers is not because of a lack of restrictions but because of Omicron which now has a foothold in the UK, and it will be coming to every country on the planet soon. And anyone who thinks restrictions can keep it out is deluded, because no amount of restrictions will keep a lid on Omicron, short of welding everyone into their houses Wuhan style.

 

[salfordbluetrue]

Makes me laugh of proposed restrictions after Christmas. If SA is anything to go by we’ll be nearing the peak of cases by then anyway and hopefully burnt itself out.

Indoor house mixing restrictions will have a ridiculously low compliance rate if they try it.

According to a secret meeting of a 1000 scientist leaked to the BBC the hospitalization is going to rocket up to 5,000 a day, depending on which BBC station you listen to,in the next 4-5 weeks, it did rise at this time last year to 3,000 but that was without the jab, and this report says the jab is not 70% effective but 85%, how dose that work? i suppose it could happen SA is only 3-4 weeks ahead of us.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

The problem with your last sentence is that people will be self deciding the best way through the pandemic, not only for themselves, but on behalf of others too. That imo, is not a good way fwd.

Probably going to be the reality tho. I think a significant proprtion of the population especially the young will ignore further government advice, especially with them having lost so much credibility.

 

[lancs blue]

The problem with your last sentence is that people will be self deciding the best way through the pandemic, not only for themselves, but on behalf of others too. That imo, is not a good way fwd.

The government have brought this on themselves with all the stories coming out about parties last Christmas. People will now be far more cynical about the necessity of any new restrictions on indoor mixing in particular.

 

[Forzacitizens]

The longer this goes on the more convinced I am that covid was a leak from the lab in wuhab. In fact it seems MPs have been informed that this was the case.

I question the publics willingness to follow any further restrictions when it's clear that these end variants will keep emerging and the vaccine is ineffective.

 

[waspish]

The problem here is the NHS is not fit for purpose and they are using covid as a smokescreen. We keep being told this new scariant might overwhelm the NHS. The NHS is already overwhelmed. The total number of NHS hospital beds in England has more than halved in the past 30 years, from around 299,000 in 1987/88 to 141,000 in 2019/20. In 1988, the UK population was 56.9 million. Today, it’s 68.4 million.

At the moment more than 10,000 beds are occupied by seniors who are ready to be discharged, but can’t be, because the social care crisis means that there is a massive shortage of carers available to look after seniors in their own homes.

Neither covid nor Winter flu is overwhelming the NHS. It has been systematically destroyed by successive governments. It hasn’t been mismanaged, it has been deliberately undermined

Imposing life-sucking, authoritarian restrictions on society has got nothing to do with protecting the National Health Service or keeping people safe. It’s all about the jabs.

6 million people are still unjabbed in the UK. These are the people that will be blamed and vilified for the reintroduction of lockdowns. Society will be calling for a mandate soon, and play straight in to their hands.

Yep this government have been closing hospital down building these super hospitals also plus we don’t have enough nurses and doctors.