Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Bluesince1979]

Yes, it’s lockdown on the cheap. There needs to be financial support for the hospitality sector, we can’t expect ordinary people to take on the burden.

As for Whitty, not sure what you expect him to say. Yes there’s a new variant, we don’t have all the data, but signs from elsewhere are that it isn’t too bad, so ignore it and carry on?

A good proportion of people would have just heard ‘new variant’ and altered their behaviour anyway. No one wants to be sick at Christmas, even if it’s only mildly ill.

Its not just hospitality sector, its amazing how many industries are interlinked

e.g just done a job for a gym owner. It was said light heartedly that he needs every one on the piss in december and over xmas so they get fat and join gyms in january. Jan and feb are there ‘profit months’.

and although light hearted he was also deadly serious.
he said member ships are down 30% , break even.

people blindly telling every one to stay in should have an asterix with how any sort of lock down (by stealth or official) will affect their income and career

 

[Quad]

Its not just hospitality sector, its amazing how many industries are interlinked

e.g just done a job for a gym owner. It was said light heartedly that he needs every one on the piss in december and over xmas so they get fat and join gyms in january. Jan and feb are there ‘profit months’.

and although light hearted he was also deadly serious.
he said member ships are down 30% , break even.

people blindly telling every one to stay in should have an asterix with how any sort of lock down (by stealth or official) will affect their income and career

There can work from home so don’t matter to them

 

[Bluewonder]

By selling of the NHS, why else is Sinaloa in California? They’ve the excuse now that this pandemic is costing the tax payer too much and they need to get outside help, ie sell it off to the highest bidders…. Watch this space. I’m certain of it.

A social insurance model with privately run facilities would not be a bad idea as long as it remains free at point of use. The NHS is clearly incapable of supporting society in its current form.

 

[grunge]

A social insurance model with privately run facilities would not be a bad idea as long as it remains free at point of use. The NHS is clearly incapable of supporting society in its current form.

I think I read this is how the German system works. But they do spend more on there health system per person than the UK does. but not a lot more.

 

[Bluewonder]

I think I read this is how the German system works. But they do spend more on there health system per person than the UK does. but not a lot more.

I believe they have far more beds and staff per capita too.

 

[grunge]

I believe they have far more beds and staff per capita too.

yeah I heard that too, they have loads of spare beds ready for anything like a really bad flu season.

I saw an interview years ago with a Dr who had worked in both systems and he was saying how in Germany people are generally kept in longer for recuperation as there is no pressure for beds. they used a surgical procedure as an example, the recommendation is that someone is kept in for 3/4 days after this one procedure which the do in Germany where as in the UK you are out the next day.

 

[Bluewonder]

yeah I heard that too, they have loads of spare beds ready for anything like a really bad flu season.

I saw an interview years ago with a Dr who had worked in both systems and he was saying how in Germany people are generally kept in longer for recuperation as there is no pressure for beds. they used a surgical procedure as an example, the recommendation is that someone is kept in for 3/4 days after this one procedure which the do in Germany where as in the UK you are out the next day.

I believe most European healthcare systems work this way.

As alluded to by a number of posters already, it's time to have a sensible conversation about the NHS.

 

[BlueAnorak]

No one official ( science wise ) has said we'll know if its less/more deadly in days. Most said it takes months to know for sure.

but when you think in the space of 3.5 weeks, Omicron was identified, Risk assessed, Detected for sure that it has significant immune evasion and spreads far far faster. and we are starting to see results from studies saying that it seems to be infecting the Broncus rather than getting into the lungs which is good as it then doesn't go on to cause pneumonia. thats actually a hell of a lot of information very quickly.

I give you Prof Carl Heneghan, the director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford who on the Today Programme this morning stated that the country was in “deep, deep trouble” if it entered into “annual winter lockdowns”, adding that “this is as good as it gets when you consider the predictable rise in winter pathogens at this time of the year”.

Lockdown can’t become annual winter event, says Oxford professor

An Oxford professor has warned lockdown must be avoided, saying it cannot become an annual winter event.

www.standard.co.uk

 

[Octavian]

Is being overweight a COVID-19 risk?

In this article, we explore why obesity might be a risk factor for becoming seriously ill with COVID-19, and why it’s so important to gather data to understand who is most at risk.

covid.joinzoe.com

Covid-19: Why are age and obesity risk factors for serious disease?

Worldwide more than 41 million people have now been infected with SARS-CoV-2 and over a million people have died. But what makes this virus so difficult to control, and why are some people more at risk than others? Elisabeth Mahase reports Paul Lehner, professor of immunology and medicine at...

www.bmj.com

The first one says 20% more likely to be hospitalised and the 2nd article is over 12 months old and says “could be 40%”.

Losing weight is less effective than being double jabbed. We know this for a fact.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Agree. The government has sufficient data from retail, transport, and hospitality, amongst others, to know the effect that its warnings have had on the general public and its behavior. It will also know from the experience of the last two years which levers to pull and when. Politically, Johnson would be loathed to impose another lockdown, so far better to have the public impose one upon itself. Quite clever really.

Truth is though, the public do that anyway. Every lockdown has come after the infections have peaked, which means they didn’t really do anything. Google travel worked out that the week before the first lockdown travel had reduced so much that by the time the lockdown arrived, travel reduced hardly at all.

Tell people to be careful, use LFT’s before they go out and about and try to avoid having loads of people in poorly ventilated houses (still one of the 3 places you are most likely to catch covid, care homes and hospitals being the other 2).