Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Healdplace]

Greater Manchester scoreboard:

633 cases - up from 553.

NW total 1315 up 103.

48.1% of the NW total (up 2.5% in day).

GM cases week to week:-

1554 v 1243 v 937 v 736 v 862 v 633 Today


Manchester 100 - up from 81. Pop score up 18 to 8993. Weekly Pop down 16 to 150.

Wigan 87 - up from 70, Pop score up 27 to 8269. Weekly Pop down 2 to 157.

Bolton 84 - up from 66, Pop score up 30 to 8408. Weekly Pop stays at 205.

Stockport 65 - down from 66. Pop score up 23 to 6640 Weekly Pop stays at 184

Oldham 62 - up from 54. Pop score up 27 to 9092. Weekly Pop up 1 to 144

Salford 58 - up from 49. Pop score up 22 to 8377. Weekly Pop down 2 to 159.

Rochdale 50 - up from 47. Pop score up 22 to 8881. Weekly Pop down 2 to 168

Bury 46 - up from 45. Pop score up 24 to 8527. Weekly Pop down 17 to 191

Tameside 45 - down 2. Pop score up 20 to 7461. Weekly Pop down 18 to 169

Trafford 36 - - up from 28. Pop score up 15 to 6567. Now 73 clear of Stockport as these boroughs go in opposite directions. Weekly Pop down 2 to 117.


Weekly Pop Scores:-

Today // Last Friday // Up / down in week. Up bad. down good. Lower the score the better.

Bolton 205 // 226 // down 21

Bury 191 // 228 // down 37

Stockport 184 // 169 // UP 15

Tameside 169 // 213// down 44

Rochdale 168 // 172 // down 4

Salford 159 // 202 // down 43

Wigan 157 // 175 // down 18

Manchester 150 // 187 // down 37

Oldham 144 // 171 // down 27

Trafford 117 // 124 // down 7


As you can see only Bolton now over 200. Though maybe not for long as it is doing much better.

Trafford goes from strength to strength well ahead in every measure as best in GM.

Oldham though doing well too - as is Manchester who has been on a great run in past two weeks.

Though the MEN might go on about Bury being in trouble they are using week old data and it shows as Bury have had several good days and now sub 200. Heading in the right direction as are Tameside now too.

They are missing - no doubt to report it later next week! - what has been happening to Stockport.

Though not in catastrophic trouble it has lost a huge lead over Trafford in Pop Scores across the past couple of weeks and its numbers are not budging much and now its weekly Pop Score is going up, The only place in GM right now to be doing so.

If it does not start to turn things round it is set to be the worst borough in GM soon. Something it has never been. Indeed it was almost always top or second to Trafford. So something is going wrong there.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Make sure you have paracetamol at the ready for Sunday just in case you feel a bit off colour. Some have little or no symptoms, but it can make you feel a bit unwell, well worth it though.

Thanks will do. I was ok with my first flu jab last Nov. So fingers crossed.

 

[splinter]

CEO of Qantas alan joyce believes the vaccine passport will be necessary..

 

[MCFC_ Phil]

CEO of Qantas alan joyce believes the vaccine passport will be necessary..

Of course. The Aussies,take no shit.

 

[cleavers]

Ive noticed the roads and public transport have become progressively busier this week,definitely people are becoming more relaxed and complacency may be setting in with a few.
I think the usual knobheads need reminding,despite light at the end of the tunnel,we are a still very much in a lockdown.

They should replace eastenders and corrie (and any reality shit at the weekends) with a press conference, without announcing it, and have some of the "stars" laying it on the line, that people need to stick with it, this would get through to a lot more people than a minister and a couple of scientists at 5pm.

 

[cleavers]

In lockdown only going out to shop as the last thing before infection. Not sure what else it can be, but yes it's not clear. That said infection control is non existent in most supermarkets.

It's not just supermarkets though, 50% are working nearly normally, many have no choice.

I have no choice myself on Monday but to go into the office, a really badly designed office re covid, luckily I'm mostly working from home, but I have no choice on Monday.

I normally supermarket shop on Mondays, I'd much sooner be doing that, than spending 7-8 hours in a cramped office with as many as 8 other people.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Of course. The Aussies,take no shit.

many countries arround the world require vaccine passports already for yellow fever. Covid 19 wont be any different I suspect.

 

[somapop]

Had a message earlier from an old mate (city fan to boot).
He was academic, very creative (and studied fine arts) but also very tough and quite a dark side. A real complex figure but we met on some wavelength and become good friends.
He fell on hard times really down to his psychological issues (has children with two different mothers but could never manage a long term relationship). Was on suicide watch for some time & eventually developed terrible physical issues (often in and out of hospital and psychological wards).

He messaged me out of the blue to do and inevitably the anti vaxx/conspiracy stories fell out.
I think he’s probably on the precipice but looks like he’s been down a rabbit hole or two. I can’t be angered here as I know he’s got some real issues so I’ve kept it humorous as I advise him not to listen to the bullshit. Did make laugh when he advised me not to take the vaccine but he has a supply of better treatments/anti virals (really good efficacy) he can obtain for me.

But this is some of the psychological fall out, casualties we’re seeing unfortunately.

I look forward to further messages this evening, but as a crestive type brain I can understand how some are more susceptible than others...or are they?

 

[shemnel]

many countries arround the world require vaccine passports already for yellow fever. Covid 19 wont be any different I suspect.

Not from the UK (yellow fever)

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

It's not just supermarkets though, 50% are working nearly normally, many have no choice.

I have no choice myself on Monday but to go into the office, a really badly designed office re covid, luckily I'm mostly working from home, but I have no choice on Monday.

I normally supermarket shop on Mondays, I'd much sooner be doing that, than spending 7-8 hours in a cramped office with as many as 8 other people.

I think you have plenty of choice if your employee hasn’t implemented certain things. If it’s a risk to your health and ultimately to your family then you have every right to say you aren’t going into the office unless certain standards are met.

 

[cleavers]

I think you have plenty of choice if your employee hasn’t implemented certain things. If it’s a risk to your health and ultimately to your family then you have every right to say you aren’t going into the office unless certain standards are met.

They have implemented serious covid regulations, but it's the nature of the office that they can't do anything else, the biggest problem is the building we are in, the office has low ceilings, and is under ground, unfortunately we are lodgers in someone else's office, who we have to work with, and security reasons dictate that we have to carry out certain tasks in that office, as there is nowhere else secure enough to do it.

Sometimes regulations aren't enough in themselves, and like many other employers you just can't take away every risk, see health and ambulance service, police, school teachers, armed forces (who I work alongside), and supermarket workers.

Like I've said for the most part I can and have worked from home, and I've only been in the office a couple of handfuls of time in just under a year, but it's my turn on Monday again.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

They have implemented serious covid regulations, but it's the nature of the office that they can't do anything else, the biggest problem is the building we are in, the office has low ceilings, and is under ground, unfortunately we are lodgers in someone else's office, who we have to work with, and security reasons dictate that we have to carry out certain tasks in that office, as there is nowhere else secure enough to do it.

Sometimes regulations aren't enough in themselves, and like many other employers you just can't take away every risk, see health and ambulance service, police, school teachers, armed forces (who I work alongside), and supermarket workers.

Like I've said for the most part I can and have worked from home, and I've only been in the office a couple of handfuls of time in just under a year, but it's my turn on Monday again.

Fair enough but can the work be done with fewer people meaning you can socially distance slightly easier?

 

[cleavers]

Fair enough but can the work be done with fewer people meaning you can socially distance slightly easier?

Yes that was one thing that was implemented early on, hence why most of our work is being done from home, we have zones within the office, with a limit to the number working in each zone, but sometimes even that's impossible to comply with due the nature of the work. My employer has done all they can, as has my office manager, and also those running the office who we lodge with. Those that manage the building I'm less than convinced by, as the building cleaning isn't great, but I make sure my own area is clean/sterile before I do anything, and as soon as the essential work is complete I get out of there (it's normally a 12 hour shift, but I've rarely spent more than 7 in there, as I can finish the other non secure tasks at home).

 

[mr t]

My mate works at Strangeways prison in Manchester - positive COVID-19 rates in there are sky high. Today they were one of the lucky folk who tested negative - they’re 43 so they won’t get the vaccine any time now and they’re next on shift on Monday and are thinking of calling in sick. Is it right for them to go off sick and stay safe or to go back into work and mingle with inmates / staff who have / may have a killer virus?

 

[lee one pen]

Social distancing measures which reduce the R number of COVID will have the same effect on the R number of flu. As flu has a much lower baseline figure then the measures will have kept R well below 1, factoring in the vaccination programme in the autumn it’s not really surprising that flu has been suppressed this season.

Social distancing measures which reduce the R number of COVID will have the same
I read that as well
mate.

 

[kippaxkid74]

Ill post the ‘vitamin shopping list’ on here. I think you have to balance out the vit D with mag as it may have adverse effects if you take too much as it may end up in your arteries.

Are these ok? I can't work out if they have magnesium in at the right rate that you say.

My other half bought me the 1000 ones last year, and then changed me to the 2000 ones. Not sure if he's trying to keep me well or kill me...

Vitabiotics | Ultra Vitamin D3 1000 IUTablets Optimum level

Vitabiotics Ultra Vitamin D 2000 IU Extra Strength Tablets

 

[The Northern Baptist]

This is concerning, and trouble lies ahead imo.

Take up rate of vaccine for staff at Leicestershire NHS trust by ethnic background is White 71% , South Asian 59%, Black 37%

This is NHS staff as well! I believe this will only get worse as we move away from NHS staff and move down the age ranges. As the first condition for moving through the stages of the roadmap is “The vaccine deployment programme continues successfully” I can only see those dates given being pushed back.

Worry as Black and South Asian hospital staff reject vaccine

People from ethnic minorities are more likely to become poorly and die with Covid-19

www.leicestermercury.co.uk

 

[Rammy Blue]

Are these ok? I can't work out if they have magnesium in at the right rate that you say.

My other half bought me the 1000 ones last year, and then changed me to the 2000 ones. Not sure if he's trying to keep me well or kill me...

Vitabiotics | Ultra Vitamin D3 1000 IUTablets Optimum level

Vitabiotics Ultra Vitamin D 2000 IU Extra Strength Tablets

I previously used the 2000 ones you’ve linked above, and just took 2 a day, until I got the 4000 tablets that I put a link on for a few days back.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I previously used the 2000 ones you’ve linked above, and just took 2 a day, until I got the 4000 tablets that I put a link on for a few days back.

Started on the 3,000 variety today. Bought 2 boxes before my Amazon membership ran out.

 

[Healdplace]

Quiet day to day as this thread winds down. Hopefully that proves true.

Early game so some data may be late today.

But first news up is that North West falls to fourth in the regional table after many areas continue to go down and the weekly pop is now 153 and falling about 11% a day.

North East is the only north or midlands area now below NW at 142 and falling by 12%.

Yorkshire's recent rise in case numbers (the main area being referred to by yesterday's press conference where cases have started rising - though also in the midlands in places like Leicester that has become a concern again) puts it above North West for first time in many months at 154 and Yorkshire now rising at 3% - the only area that has been doing that in past three weeks.

West Midlands and East Midlands are above both NW and Yorks yet both are still falling. West Midlands at 157 fell 11% and East Midlands clear at top on 170 - falling 6% daily.

Every southern region is now below 100 - from East at 95 to South West at 68 - all falling between 17 and 25% as well at the moment so increasing the north/south divide.

To see these numbers in context. The best borough in Greater Manchester by some distance is Trafford on a weekly pop score of 117 and that is worse than every southern area.

Only Trafford is ahead of the best northern area (North East) but Oldham is close at 144 versus NE 142.

Manchester's spectacular fall in cases in the past week or two has put it third best in GM now (despite always having the most cases every day the pop score rates cases v population to make a fairer comparison). At 150 it is the only other GM borough ahead of the regional average.

Most other GM boroughs are around the average for the three northern regions ahead of North West,

However, at 184 (Stockport), 191 (Bury) and 205 (Bolton) the worst three GM areas are higher than every single region in England.

Though Bury (down 17) and Bolton (down 24 in past 4 days) are improving. Only Stockport has actually gone up and unless things change will be the worst in GM soon.

The MEN are yet to catch up with this trend and still calling out Bury and Trafford as they use the 5 day old data but both those have improved quite a bit since. They will no doubt report the Stockport issues next week when by then - with luck - they are over the hump too.