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Nicola Sturgeon just now addressing the blood clot issue.


She says their advice from the medical bodies is that there is 'no evidence' of the blood clot numbers being unusual or an issue. But they are continuing to monitor and see no reason to alter the roll out.

Especially as there is now good evidence to show the vaccine is working in cutting down death and serious illness.
 
bluetonium said:
Had to take my 4 year old for a test again yesterday. Her third test since all this began, hopefully negative again. She woke up with a cold and had a temperature of 39.2 for 40 minues before it came back down to normal, but according to the rules she has to go and get tested. So we're isolating again until we get the result.

Every time she goes back to school this happens, a cold goes around and half the class are sniffing. Do half the class then go and get tested? I doubt it.

I don't see how this is sustainable, plus for younger kids a swab up the nose causes so much upset that it's debatable how accurate any swab would be. Hope there is a quick breath test or something that can be rolled out, if we're going to have to live with this virus and it's variants long term.
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Better safe than sorry, for your child and the greater good.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
No, this is nonsense. Honestly.

Agencies investigating adverse events is exactly what should happen. Different agencies take a different view of risk.

Denmark and Ireland have suspended, Germany and France have not (IIRC).

Are you suggesting that the Danish medical regulator is part of a smear campaign, but the French regulator opted out?
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This should be repeated many times! Regulators do not indulge in politics, or maybe it's only foreign regulators and not ours?

The regulators are doing exactly what they should - this is essentially an early stage vaccine which would usually have undergone far more testing; they are seeing something which may be a problem, and are acting appropriately.

AZ can't do anything other than issue the data they have - they can express confidence drawn from it, but aren't the decisionmakers.

I also seriously doubt that the other vaccinemakers are remotely bothered about playing commercial games - it wouldn't be a surprise if all the current vaccines were superceded in a year's time, but until then, the supply shortage guarantees their sales currently and they won't be resting on their laurels but instead will be looking to improve things. Pfizer will know that their vaccine is of limited use due to the temperature requirements, but it's still better to have the world up and running than to beat up AZ.
 
Scotland update:~

0 deaths - was 1 last week (but Nicola S reminds that Sunday data is often under reported on deaths)

456 cases - was 501 last week

4.7% positivity - was 5.0% last week

138 Greater Glasgow (v 138 last wk), 76 Lanarkshire (v 99 last wk). 70 Lothian (v 67 last wk)

447 patients - down 14 on yesterday -was 654 last wk

40 ventilated icu - same as yesterday - was 59 last week.
 
Scotland Vaccination data:

1, 908, 991 first doses given - 20, 294 today - was 21, 574 yesterday & 14, 909 last week

161, 945 second does given - 1807 today - was 3788 yesterday & 2802 last week


'Virtually All' over 65 now vaccinated

53 % of 60 - 65 vaccinated

41 % of 55 - 59 vaccinated

33 % of 50 - 54 vaccinated
 
somapop said:
Great news Tolm.
When you say 'stickiness' how does that present itself? I still have something sat in my lungs and occasional massive lethargy (can't make two flights of stairs without stopping) and a cough like there's something I can't shake loose (which is where the blood clot worries omits from).

I'm just over two months so perhaps mine will soon release it's rancid grip...
Interesting you've had scans. Still might phone the docs this week.

Pleased you're on the mend mate.
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Thanks mate - everyone presents differently, so best to keep checking in with your own doctors/GP.

That coughing you can't shake loose - when they did my chest check they said the air sacks at the top of my lungs called alveoli, were still sticky.

Can definitely relate to struggling when doing anything physical and only been last couple of weeks where a run has been back to normal.

Hope things improve for you quicker.
 
Nicola Sturgeon being quizzed on how sure they are on safety of the AZ and adds that the advice is very clear that there is 'no cause for suspension'. But that she continues to ask for that guidance and if there is any concern she will be 'very straight with you'.

The chief medic then adds that 'there is no causal link' with blood clots and 'no data to suggest any link' and he is 'very confident' in its use.

Between 1 in1000 and 2000 have such a clot in the period of the 17 million vaccinations in UK without any other cause intervening and

'No signal coming through that there is any increase'
 
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Holcombe bloo said:
How is your taste and smell? Mine only just near normal now from having COVID in October. A burnt sulphury type of taste for months!
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I never lost it bud. Did have a metallic taste early on but I think that was the missus burning the Xmas dinner.

I wouldn't mind, but who the fuck cooks a prawn cocktail ;)
 
Healdplace said:
Of course, it should. But the UK must have given more AZ than anywhere and for the longest time so there would by now be a pretty obvious signal if the 17 million or so who have are developing these issues at abnormal rates.

And that rise has not happened as of now.

Basing it on nations with much smaller numbers injected and more recently who think the data might be a signal suggests the problem may lie in either the tainted batch theory (that only went outside the UK) or less rigorous use elsewhere.
Or just as likely over caution that would have been ignored if not for all the past scare stories creating the perception this vaccine is botched or hurried which turned out to be just that - over caution.

Nobody should cut corners on vaccines. I see no evidence AZ did here. Indeed waiting to do further tests cost them the lead. The UK took the view the early data was good enough whilst the world waited for the better full data and are now behind. They are bound to feel a bit miffed and want to show their own people they were right to delay.
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I agree, at worst it's a bad batch or a very small subset of the population has an underlying issue that triggers this response when the vaccine is administered. At best it's completely unrelated but let's find out.
 
GaudinoMotors said:
Better safe than sorry, for your child and the greater good.
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We got a negative result returned in less than 24 hours so all was good thanks, quickest we've had a test result back so hopefully a sign that less testing is required currently.

Worst bit of the weekend was that they'd shut the m60 and traffic was horrendous, so a trip to do a test with the little one at a site 3.5 miles from my house resulted in a 2.5 hour excursion all in all, including the hour at the site trying to get her to do the test!
 
Wales data:

2 deaths - was 0 last week

248 cases - was 164 last wk

2.4% positivity - was 1.8% last wk

Weekly Pop score 39 - was 39 yesterday and 45 last week
 
roubaixtuesday said:
No, this is nonsense. Honestly.

Agencies investigating adverse events is exactly what should happen. Different agencies take a different view of risk.

Denmark and Ireland have suspended, Germany and France have not (IIRC).

Are you suggesting that the Danish medical regulator is part of a smear campaign, but the French regulator opted out?
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Absolutely it should be investigated, I was referring to earlier instances where the AZ vaccine has been undermined both in Europe and the US , I’d say the fact that AZ are not in it to make huge profits is something that the US can’t understand and without a doubt the failure of the EU in contract negotiations has led to a dislike of AZ .
 
Wales vaccination update:

1, 122, 931 first doses given - 9433 today - was 29, 169 yesterday & 3237 last week

264, 255 second doses given - 6857 today - was 7372 yesterday & 7685 last week

Rather big fall here in last 24 hours though up on last Sunday.

Having lived in Wales for some years that does not surprise me as Sunday is seen a bit differently - or was when I lived there. Especially in rural areas.
 
Italy locks back down as Europe faces third wave, also German icu doctors call for immediate return to lockdown as covid 19 numbers rise
 
In the latest weekly Pop score table for England Derbyshire Dales has gone top but with a Pop Score of just 167 that must be the lowest 'top' in many months as all 10 GM boroughs were over that number 3 weeks ago.

Preston remains the highest in the NW at 6th with a score of 162.

Tameside is the highest in GM at 21st with Rochdale at 22nd - both on scores of 113.

Both have risen in the table I posted here last night from the data up to now - so increased since this 5 day old data table.

As of last night Rochdale were at 126 and now worst in GM and Tameside was up just a little to 116.

Trafford is - of course - the best placed in GM. In this 5 day old data table it is in 104th with a weekly Pop score of 64. It has been up and down a bit but as of last night in the up to date table was back down to 63.

Other comparisons of the 5 day old table:

Stockport and St Helens are neck and neck at 89 - though Stockport is up to 93 in the 5 days since then.

Sheffield (85), Derby (85) & Birmingham (82) are bunched with Manchester on 83 - though unfortunately Manchester as of last night was back up to 94.

Cheshire East - for Andy Hinch - is at 120th - below every GM borough on a score of just 57.

Once badly impacted Knowsley on Merseyside is even lower at 130th on 55 and Liverpool too doing better than all of GM at 137th on just 53.

And Wirral - that was in January far ahead of GM too - is at 163rd at just 46.

These Merseyside tumbles are why GM pro rata are struggling just a little within the North West at over 51% of the total cases daily. When in January it was under 25%.

Pretty much everywhere in the bottom half (as in best performing) boroughs in England out of the 315 total are in the south now.

The lowest have extraordinary weekly pop scores:- Torridge and South Hams both at just 4. And West Devon at 5.

There are 6 boroughs with Weekly Pops in single figures. I think that is unprecedented.

The only ones I can see in the best 50 from the North is South Lakeland at 294th with a Pop Score of 19. And Carlisle at 290th with a Weekly Pop of 20.
 
76 England hospital deaths - 3 from the NW.

Last week it was 101 with 5 from the NW.

Always low as Sunday data recall. So the most hard to call number of the week..

But this is a fall wk to wk of 25% So not as small as it seems. Pretty much on trend and in fact up on last week's fall of 20%
 
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Healdplace said:
76 England hospital deaths - 3 from the NW.

Last week it was 101 with 5 from the NW.

Always low as Sunday data recall. So the most hard to call number of the week..

But this is a fall wk to wk of 25% So not as small as it seems. Pretty much on trend and in fact up on last week's fall of 20%
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Excellent news.
 
Healdplace said:
In the latest weekly Pop score table for England Derbyshire Dales has gone top but with a Pop Score of just 167 that must be the lowest 'top' in many months as all 10 GM boroughs were over that number 3 weeks ago.
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You're right. The highs are now much lower.

NB : High case rate in Derbyshire Dales, like Rutland before it, due almost entirely to a prison outbreak (HMP Sudbury). My mate near Bakewell confirms his bit of the Dales has seen virtually no cases of late.
 
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