Coronavirus (2021) thread

[roubaixtuesday]

I agree that it could be bad for us but despite your implication that we have caused this fight

Not my intention.

I don't know at all the ins and outs. Neither does anyone here.

On the specific leak to the press, I said above: "to leak it to the press in such a way is deeply unethical, and those responsible should be ashamed."

Which is blaming the Germans.

 

[domalino]

Making this a fight with the EU will be a disaster for everyone.

There's only one body trying to make this a fight.

The EU has fucked up, they wanted to get an advantage by delaying orders and payment and now they're getting the consequences of that.

And after seeing those consequences, they've tried to discredit the vaccine they can't get hold of and then threatened to block export of it to countries that legally bought it.

This isn't a 6/half dozen argument.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

yes I know that. Nice of them to blackmail us.

Perhaps they think we're doing the same to them. I don't know. Neither do you.

 

[inchy14]

We do. In case you hadn't noticed, all the major vaccine supply comes from them!

To be fair they come from businesses not individual countries

 

[Summerbuzz]

indeed - hope it is put to bed quickly tommorow

I don't want to contribute to a single soul lacking confidence or hope. But it can't really be put to bed finally until we get more data. First more studies. Then ultimately, infection rates and so on in the field.

Until that happens, the lack of data relative to other vaccines will remain a fact, and so the story is liable to bubble up again at any point.

Whether the story is floated for political reasons, or is a fair representation of events - there's only one rebuttal that matters, and that will come from the publication of more data.

 

[Saddleworth2]

the Eu were only prepared to pay if it was signed off. England put money up front. Simple as that.

England?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

There's only one body trying to make this a fight.

The EU has fucked up, they wanted to get an advantage by delaying orders and payment and now they're getting the consequences of that.

And after seeing those consequences, they've tried to discredit the vaccine they can't get hold of and then threatened to block export of it to countries that legally bought it.

This isn't a 6/half dozen argument.

1. The EU has said, and done nothing. This is from Germany.

2. It's complicated. See various comments above about how to judge over 65s efficacy. If the EMA don't approve in over 65s they're doing nothing different ton the US.

3. Even if you think the EU are the devil incarnate, it matters not. We still have to get along with them. In this, and everything else. If we fight, we both lose.

 

[worsleyweb]

Perhaps they think we're doing the same to them. I don't know. Neither do you.

i honestly do and have been speaking to someone at the epicentre of it only tonight.

 

[Ban-jani]

Not my intention.

I don't know at all the ins and outs. Neither does anyone here.

On the specific leak to the press, I said above: "to leak it to the press in such a way is deeply unethical, and those responsible should be ashamed."

Which is blaming the Germans.

It’s always ze bloody Germans!

 

[worsleyweb]

England?

ok the UK.