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twosips said:
But they're not ignoring the rules, so that's a weird leap! Talking about wanting a holiday on facebook isn't ignoring the rules is it? You're creating an entirely different scenario. Why on earth are you doing that? I'm not sure you've even done it, but either way it's totally unfair and proves entirely what I was saying. We're painting people as villains, and now in your eyes they're alongside the rule breakers just for even thinking about going on holiday!
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There's posters in the holiday thread saying there could be public unrest if they're not allowed to go on their holidays abroad this Summer.
 
Cheesy said:
There's posters in the holiday thread saying there could be public unrest if they're not allowed to go on their holidays abroad this Summer.
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Not read any of that, but i'd guess they're bored, sad people at the end of the tether. Either way, they're not criminals until they are. They're not selfish either, just fed up. It's understandable.
 
twosips said:
But they're not ignoring the rules, so that's a weird leap! Talking about wanting a holiday on facebook isn't ignoring the rules is it? You're creating an entirely different scenario. Why on earth are you doing that? I'm not sure you've even realised you've done it, but either way it's totally unfair and proves entirely what I was saying. We're painting people as villains, and now in your eyes they're alongside the rule breakers just for even thinking about going on holiday!
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Sorry, maybe my post was out of context. To be clear, I have no issue with anyone saying they wish they could go on a foreign holiday. FFS, I wish I could go on a foreign holiday.
 
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AZ again under fire for the manner in which they've presented their data, this time on their announcement yesterday morning.
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The NIH statement is very, very unusual.

I'd go so far as to say totally unprecedented for a major trial from a major company.

Absolutely no idea what's behind it, AZ have said nowt to date.

What I would say, however, is that the real world data from the UK tells us the vaccine is very effective and very safe, and covers ~1000x more doses than this trial. So no need for anyone to worry about having it.

But really odd. Let's see how AZ respond.
 
twosips said:
Mate i've holidayed in just about every corner of the UK. I love the place for trips, but right now I'd rather be anywhere else, for very obvious reasons.
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I'm not sure I understand this logic. What are these very obvious reasons? Hospitalisations and deaths continue to plummet in the UK and this is something you yourself have understandably taken as a huge positive when posting those daily updates so once we've opened up and holidays are allowed over here, if France for example is still recording 6 or 7 times the number of daily cases that we are you'd sooner be holidaying in France than in the UK? How about the Czech Republic or Poland? Both great places for a break but would you want to be taking a trip over there if their case numbers and deaths are still way higher than ours? There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to get back to holidaying abroad but is it really palatable to want to do that if the country we're travelling to is still reporting three figure daily deaths for example?

The way I see it is this. Compared to most of the rest of Europe, we'll be out of the worst of this a bit sooner than they are due to our incredible vaccine rollout so while they're catching up (which they will) it will just mean that those foreign holidays may have to wait a little longer. We - and Europe - will get there though.
 
M18CTID said:
I'm not sure I understand this logic. What are these very obvious reasons? Hospitalisations and deaths continue to plummet in the UK and this is something you yourself have understandably taken as a huge positive when posting those daily updates so once we've opened up and holidays are allowed over here, if France for example is still recording 6 or 7 times the number of daily cases that we are you'd sooner be holidaying in France than in the UK? How about the Czech Republic or Poland? Both great places for a break but would you want to be taking a trip over there if their case numbers and deaths are still way higher than ours? There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to get back to holidaying abroad but is it really palatable to want to do that if the country we're travelling to is still reporting three figure daily deaths for example?

The way I see it is this. Compared to most of the rest of Europe, we'll be out of the worst of this a bit sooner than they are due to our incredible vaccine rollout so while they're catching up (which they will) it will just mean that those foreign holidays may have to wait a little longer. We - and Europe - will get there though.
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agree, point i was making earlier when someone suggested the Government are keeping us locked in for economic reasons... when it's clear the whole of Europe and other places are starting to hit a 3/4th wave and there is spikes everywhere around the world - Britain is looking like the best place to be these upcoming months - but guess all can change
 
M18CTID said:
I'm not sure I understand this logic. What are these very obvious reasons? Hospitalisations and deaths continue to plummet in the UK and this is something you yourself have understandably taken as a huge positive when posting those daily updates so once we've opened up and holidays are allowed over here, if France for example is still recording 6 or 7 times the number of daily cases that we are you'd sooner be holidaying in France than in the UK? How about the Czech Republic or Poland? Both great places for a break but would you want to be taking a trip over there if their case numbers and deaths are still way higher than ours? There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to get back to holidaying abroad but is it really palatable to want to do that if the country we're travelling to is still reporting three figure daily deaths for example?

The way I see it is this. Compared to most of the rest of Europe, we'll be out of the worst of this a bit sooner than they are due to our incredible vaccine rollout so while they're catching up (which they will) it will just mean that those foreign holidays may have to wait a little longer. We - and Europe - will get there though.
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I assume he was talking “in an ideal world” as opposed to ”in a current covid world”.
 
M18CTID said:
Some of them are out in force on that thread:

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Yeah, i tend to ignore replies unless they come from verified accounts or people who seem to have some sort of background on the subject. Social media is a cesspit for trolling and spreading dangerous info, twitter right up there with the worst. It does come with decent folks who put out interesting or significant information though, which keeps me hooked on the app sadly.

roubaixtuesday said:
The NIH statement is very, very unusual.

I'd go so far as to say totally unprecedented for a major trial from a major company.

Absolutely no idea what's behind it, AZ have said nowt to date.

What I would say, however, is that the real world data from the UK tells us the vaccine is very effective and very safe, and covers ~1000x more doses than this trial. So no need for anyone to worry about having it.

But really odd. Let's see how AZ respond.
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Yeah, the proof is surely in the pudding with the success the vaccine appears to be demonstrating here. I do get concerns about how they present information though, as it's surely best to be as open and transparent with every detail as possible. Not saying that AZ haven't btw, I'm not clued up enough to interpret their findings, just commenting on those who are and aren't entirely content with what they're reading.
 
Man_City_Loyal said:
No exactly they can moan.

But i suppose if the plan is set out more clearly than we may have less moaning about it.

We are giving up something atm.

I know you may not like UK for holidaying but there are so many places we can visit here that are beautiful
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I have no issue holidaying the UK. I accept it, no problem.

Last night I had a look at cottages and hotels. I may have looked in the wrong places but availability is fairly low and the prices are scandalous. Even an old fashioned, very basic B&B in Kendal was nearly £2k for the week to accommodate the three us (one room). For research purposes, I looked at a motorway services Days Inn. Of course, I would never consider that as an option. The cost was £1300 for a week.
 
Wales vaccination update:

1, 288, 250 first doses given - 15, 064 today - was 14, 417 yesterday & 16, 935 last week

353, 347 second doses given - 7289 today - was 7099 yesterday & 8728 last week
 
Manc in London said:
I have no issue holidaying the UK. I accept it, no problem.

Last night I had a look at cottages and hotels. I may have looked in the wrong places but availability is fairly low and the prices are scandalous. Even an old fashioned, very basic B&B in Kendal was nearly £2k for the week to accommodate the three us (one room). For research purposes, I looked at a motorway services Days Inn. Of course, I would never consider that as an option. The cost was £1300 for a week.
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Stay at home mate, bank the money and put it towards a blow out holiday next year. That's what we're going to do. And to say I am desperate for a holiday is an understatement.
 
Zoe app predicted cases up a bit today to 4967.Been rising a little day to day.

But North West falls again and is now along with only South East one of just two UK regions in the 'white' zone for lowest infections.

And the total number of cases that are still symptomatic reported to them falls again. It has fallen every daynow for several weeks.

Todays fall is by 547 to 73, 887. It was over 100,000 two or three weeks ago.

So looks like the school return might be increasing positive cases but the cases that are symptomatic and so may lead to hospitalisation are falling even as numbers rise.

Which matches all the other data we see and is exactly what the vaccines are planned to do.
 
Manc in London said:
I have no issue holidaying the UK. I accept it, no problem.

Last night I had a look at cottages and hotels. I may have looked in the wrong places but availability is fairly low and the prices are scandalous. Even an old fashioned, very basic B&B in Kendal was nearly £2k for the week to accommodate the three us (one room). For research purposes, I looked at a motorway services Days Inn. Of course, I would never consider that as an option. The cost was £1300 for a week.
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In complete seriousness, have a look at the Furness Railway, the Spoons Hotel in Barrow. We found a great family room there for £49 a night in September; ideal for visiting the southern Lakes and Barrow isn't at bad as all that. Very easy access off the A590. Not sure they're accepting bookings yet but worth looking as Lockdown eases.
 
Healdplace said:
Zoe app predicted cases up a bit today to 4967.Been rising a little day to day.

But North West falls again and is now along with only South East one of just two UK regions in the 'white' zone for lowest infections.

And the total number of cases that are still symptomatic reported to them falls again. It has fallen every daynow for several weeks.

Todays fall is by 547 to 73, 887. It was over 100,000 two or three weeks ago.
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Sheffield and South & West Yorkshire seems very stubborn. Cases aren't exactly escalating, but Sheffield has been getting just under 100 cases a day since January when it had some of the lowest rates.

Can't see any reason why we'd be worse than average; many people wear masks outside and behave well, but the factories and workshops are of course as busy as ever.

Perhaps it's just the strain that started south and worked its way across the east Midlands in February heading north.
 
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