Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Summerbuzz]

Worst day at my daughters hospital so far.
41 died today in 6 wards and the ICU that has spilled over to now take over the whole surgical suite + HD wards. Ventilators and CPAP machines now rationed so if you haven't got a good chance of survival you are now dead. 50% more machines than they had in April.
Tausami.

There were 2 wards at the start of November. All the hospital does now is Covid + Maternity.

Getting to this stage, the normalising of strict rationing of life saving treatments for hundreds, thousands of people, is a step that this society has taken too lightly IMHO.

I really find it difficult to comprehend that this sort of story is pushed out of the way by goings on in America. I personally think our 'quality' press, having done a good job early last year, has let us down.

The story at the start of last year was the Doctors and Nurses were succesfully pressured by the Government to get on with their jobs and stop complaining, after a period when disputes frequently made the press.

Has that backfired? Can we say the public are truly informed as we might expect if that hadn't been the case? Are the voices of those treating patients heard as much as they should be?

Most people remain untouched by the disease and many seem untroubled.

Indeed at times there's been a lot of squirming resistance in some corners, labelling casualties as 'on their way out anyway', and little more recognition of the effects on those involved in treating them. I wonder how this story will be told in 10 years.

Was there nothing more we could have done?

Wish your daughter well.

 

[Healdplace]

Where does that data come from?

You can check every borough for the number of deaths just like cases and like the weekly Pop score for cases they have one for death rates for each borough.

Here is the GM list Deaths in total / Pop rate - per 100,000 to compare with everywhere else evenly

Bolton 553 / Pop 193

Bury 397 / Pop 208

Manchester 745 / Pop 135

Oldham 467 / Pop 197

Rochdale 497 / Pop 224

Salford 472 / Pop 182

Stockport 451 / Pop 154

Tameside 526 / Pop 232

Trafford 346 / Pop 146

Wigan 787 / Pop 240

In fact since I last looked Wigan has had a significant number of recent deaths and has now become the highest not just in GM but the second highest in the UK.

So three of the top four are in the NW and two in GM.

Across the pandemic Greater Manchester since February last year has recorded a total of confirmed cases that is 184. 488

Out of these the number of deaths in GM recorded have been 5241

That is a GM mortality rate of 2.8%


Of course, in reality it is probably a lot lower as it depends how many cases were asymptomatic or just not tested as - especially in the first wave when tests were rare and only given if you went into hospital - and even today plenty of people never get sick enough to be tested - though less than once was true.

So At worst it will be half that assuming twice as many cases as were tested positive. Though most people think it may well be even higher than that.

If the presumed mortality rate of Covid is nearer to 0.28% than 2.8% it would mean 10 x the number of cases on record in GM would have to be multiplied by ten meaning 1.84 million have had it in the region.

2, 835, 686 live in GM and that number would be in herd immunity territory of over 60%.

So you would have to guess it is a higher mortality than 0.28 and perhaps somewhere in between there and 2.8%. Depending on how many you think have had it between 184, 000 and 1. 84 million.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Worst day at my daughters hospital so far.
41 died today in 6 wards and the ICU that has spilled over to now take over the whole surgical suite + HD wards. Ventilators and CPAP machines now rationed so if you haven't got a good chance of survival you are now dead. 50% more machines than they had in April.
Tausami.

There were 2 wards at the start of November. All the hospital does now is Covid + Maternity.

Thank you for the great efforts of your Daughter and her colleagues.

 

[Out on blue 6]

Worst day at my daughters hospital so far.
41 died today in 6 wards and the ICU that has spilled over to now take over the whole surgical suite + HD wards. Ventilators and CPAP machines now rationed so if you haven't got a good chance of survival you are now dead. 50% more machines than they had in April.
Tausami.

There were 2 wards at the start of November. All the hospital does now is Covid + Maternity.

Tragic. I know you live in the West Midlands so are you able to say which hospital this is or rather keep it private? Your daughter is doing a great job by the way. Must be heartbreaking

 

[Gabriel]

Worst day at my daughters hospital so far.
41 died today in 6 wards and the ICU that has spilled over to now take over the whole surgical suite + HD wards. Ventilators and CPAP machines now rationed so if you haven't got a good chance of survival you are now dead. 50% more machines than they had in April.
Tausami.

There were 2 wards at the start of November. All the hospital does now is Covid + Maternity.

Thoughts both to you and especially your daughter; it must be terribly distressing to witness such events and to feel powerless to intervene. Pray that such imagery is shown to the public and that people now appreciate the precariousness of our situation.

 

[MikeF]

Worst day at my daughters hospital so far.
41 died today in 6 wards and the ICU that has spilled over to now take over the whole surgical suite + HD wards. Ventilators and CPAP machines now rationed so if you haven't got a good chance of survival you are now dead. 50% more machines than they had in April.
Tausami.

There were 2 wards at the start of November. All the hospital does now is Covid + Maternity.

Jesus.

I'll be passing the experience of this onto others that I speak to who seem to have the attitude 'if I get it, I get it' without a care in the world to those that have to care for those of that ilk when they do fall ill. Therein lies the problem. Selfish beyond words.

I wish your daughter and her colleagues well. X

 

[Bluemoon dan]

Does everyone need a vaccine before normality comes back? How much longer could people cope with this. Autumn is a long long way away

I'd be amazed if major events in the summer went ahead without any restrictions. I can't see things like Wimbledon, the British Grand Prix or Glastonbury going ahead with full crowds. The last 2 especially as thousands usually camp at those and there's no way we'll be at a stage of allowing tens of thousands of people to basically live on top of each other for 3 or 4 days by July.

 

[Northernstorirs]

Does everyone need a vaccine before normality comes back? How much longer could people cope with this. Autumn is a long long way away

I'm not sure if anybody else feels the same but sadly with this current lockdown I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel at the moment and therefore not giving any thought to a return to normality because infection rates, hospital admissions and deaths are so bad. Just making the best of what we can do, stay at home, read, watch sport on TV and go running etc.

With previous lockdowns I felt there was always something on the horizon with restrictions being eased and something to aim for but not with this lockdown.

I've no idea what approach the government will take, I imagine (when infections are down obvs) once the over 60s and vulnerable/people with underlying health issues are vaccinated we can move forward with a return to normality.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Medical Secretaries and some other admin staff are now working on the wards of some London hospitals.

 

[Northernstorirs]

Medical Secretaries and some other admin staff are now working on the wards of some London hospitals.

Not a bad thing, good to see pen pushers rolling up their sleeves.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Not a bad thing, good to see pen pushers rolling up their sleeves.

As long as they aren’t doing things you need to be clinically competent for.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Not sure how some don’t see any light at the end of the tunnel when we’re rolling out vaccines to hundreds and thousands of people a day.

 

[flook]

Not sure how some don’t see any light at the end of the tunnel when we’re rolling out vaccines to hundreds and thousands of people a day.

could it be because

infections are still going up
deaths are still going up
cockwombles are still ignoring guidance
vaccine distribution is being compromised (eg 2nd dose after 12 weeks not 3 without due diligence on the actual effect of that change)
vaccine effectiveness ranges from a pretty poor 65% upwards
re-infection is being reported
infection post vaccine is being reported (low figures so far I grant you)
cockwombles are still ignoring guidance (have I said that already?)
new more infectious strains are being reported on a weekly basis
Herb Hancock and Boris said it's still pretty shit (I'm paraphrasing)
government guidance is up and down quicker than a whores drawers (as my dear departed father used to say)
cumulative negative effect on peoples wellbeing (mental and fiscal) as a combined result of Covid, Brexit, economy and dear old Donald (threw the Mango Macaque in for shits n giggles really)

other than that I'm struggling to see a reason

 

[Northernstorirs]

Not sure how some don’t see any light at the end of the tunnel when we’re rolling out vaccines to hundreds and thousands of people a day.

Probably because we have a lot to get through before even thinking about that? The earliest indication of a return to the tiered system is over 3 months away ( 5 months for leisure industry). That's if (and a big if) vaccination roll out goes to plan and hospital admissions combined with infections are reduced.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Interesting change of tack now that footage of inside hospitals being used, shouldn't have had to happen but hopefully it’ll have an impact on some of the idiots out there.

 

[Blue Maverick]

bring it on, that's me then, im in group 9. Although i was wondering if i could ring up the Etihad and tell them my loyalty points and jump the vac queue? ;-) Probably wont have enough anyway.

It will if you are in the south stand otherwise get to the back of the queue ;)

 

[mcfc_ms]

It will if you are in the south stand otherwise get to the back of the queue ;)

the millions who went to York away are at the front of the queue :)

 

[Gabriel]

Interesting change of tack now that footage of inside hospitals being used, shouldn't have had to happen but hopefully it’ll have an impact on some of the idiots out there.

Was calling for this last week.
It’s also being shown without any presenter warning that images might be distressing, thankfully. Too much mollycoddling of society is partly why we’re in such a shambles. People get warned that they’re about to see something harsh and can switch off, as if retreating into their own protective little bubble can shield them from life’s harsh realities. They can then fool themselves into thinking that the virus and events somehow don’t apply to them.

 

[worsleyweb]

could it be because

infections are still going up - early suggests showing it may be on the way down
deaths are still going up - will fall in line with above
cockwombles are still ignoring guidance - dicks will be dicks - vast majority conforming
vaccine distribution is being compromised (eg 2nd dose after 12 weeks not 3 without due diligence on the actual effect of that change) - i will take Chris Whittys opinion on this
vaccine effectiveness ranges from a pretty poor 65% upwards - is sufficient and far higher than mist flu vaccines
re-infection is being reported - in a very very small number and no one appears to be getting very ill second time round
infection post vaccine is being reported (low figures so far I grant you) as your point and before immunity has kicked in
cockwombles are still ignoring guidance (have I said that already?) yes you have
new more infectious strains are being reported on a weekly basis - not quite - 2 but still likely to be covered by vaccine
Herb Hancock and Boris said it's still pretty shit (I'm paraphrasing) but light at end of tunnel
government guidance is up and down quicker than a whores drawers (as my dear departed father used to say) or its proactive dependent upon the changing nature of a pandemic
cumulative negative effect on peoples wellbeing (mental and fiscal) as a combined result of Covid, Brexit, economy and dear old Donald (threw the Mango Macaque in for shits n giggles really) Most people are pleased with Brexit, economy is holding up better than expected.

other than that I'm struggling to see a reason

Well most of that is nonsense - see above

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

The numbers that will be vaccinated are lower than many think and hopefully it can be completed sooner than stated. Under 16s won't be vaccinated so that is around 19% of the population and the NHS is hoping that take up for eligible adults will be 75%. They expect a high take up with the elderly & vulnerable groups but less for younger groups. 75% take up will be at the high end I think.

Some people won't have it for health or ethical concerns but a whole lot more won't because they can't be bothered tearing themselves away from watching the telly, playing games on their phones or getting pissed up.