Coronavirus (2021) thread

[roubaixtuesday]

I think I’ve been very clear that anyone, I don’t care what colour or background they are, who is refusing the vaccine because of a conspiracy, is stupid.

Black or other minorities aren’t any more stupid than white people, generally speaking.

Bit out of order you’ve suggested that to be honest.

I didn't suggest that. I tried to be careful not to.

I said that's how the post comes across.

If vaccine hesitancy is down to stupidity as you suggest, then it implies that if particular communities have higher levels of hesitation then they're more stupid.

I'm sure you don't think that.

It follows that vaccine hesitancy isn't caused by stupidity.

 

[meltonblue]

I didn't suggest that. I tried to be careful not to.

I said that's how the post comes across.

If vaccine hesitancy is down to stupidity as you suggest, then it implies that if particular communities have higher levels of hesitation then they're more stupid.

I'm sure you don't think that.

It follows that vaccine hesitancy isn't caused by stupidity.

Sage did a comprehensive doc on it, some of the factors @shemnel was talking about are acknowledged in it.

The most important thing is to increase the take up as it not happening will impact everyone, not just those specific groups that don’t get vaccinated. With that, you have to consider all the reasons. It doesn’t really matter whether they’re perceived or real, they exist and have got to be dealt with.

 

[Ban-jani]

I didn't suggest that. I tried to be careful not to.

I said that's how the post comes across.

If vaccine hesitancy is down to stupidity as you suggest, then it implies that if particular communities have higher levels of hesitation then they're more stupid.

I'm sure you don't think that.

It follows that vaccine hesitancy isn't caused by stupidity.

These communities aren’t generally more stupid but they may be acting more stupid in this specific situation.

I couldn’t really care less about which communities are doing it, take it down to individual level rather than generalising.

I hope that clarifies my point.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Sage did a comprehensive doc on it, some of the factors @shemnel was talking about are acknowledged in it.

The most important thing is to increase the take up as it not happening will impact everyone, not just those specific groups that don’t get vaccinated. With that, you have to consider all the reasons. It doesn’t really matter whether they’re perceived or real, they exist and have got to be dealt with.

The study I saw was led by Asian researchers / medics and it didn’t find any racism. There is a wider societal impact of what occupations people are in making them more vulnerable to Covid.but I think some of the early claims of racism in the NHS re Covid were guess work.

Anyway, problems have to be overcome and perceptions are often as dangerous as reality.

 

[blueparrot]

The study I saw was led by Asian researchers / medics and it didn’t find any racism. There is a wider societal impact of what occupations people are in making them more vulnerable to Covid.but I think some of the early claims of racism in the NHS re Covid were guess work.

Anyway, problems have to be overcome and perceptions are often as dangerous as reality.

True but perceptions especially in older generations, which is those we are currently vaccinating, may well be based on historical realities.

 

[meltonblue]

The study I saw was led by Asian researchers / medics and it didn’t find any racism. There is a wider societal impact of what occupations people are in making them more vulnerable to Covid.but I think some of the early claims of racism in the NHS re Covid were guess work.

Anyway, problems have to be overcome and perceptions are often as dangerous as reality.

I didn’t say there was, I said Sage had acknowledged it, be it perceived or real, and built a plan based off having to consider it as a mitigating factor for a successful rollout.

I haven’t seen claims about it specifically regarding covid. I’ve seen it around the vaccine trials but again that’s not covid specific, that’s historical.

 

[Healdplace]

Scottish gvt have said vaccine rates will fall significantly partly because of UK-wide supply constraints

Nicola Sturgeon flagged this up a week ago and explained exactly what was happening. I reported it then even though nobody else did in the actual media outside Scotland as far as I saw.

I have been laughed at in here more than once for always reporting her briefings but this is why.

Regardless of motive (and I expect there is often a degree of nationalism anti UK slant as that's her job) she still gives the facts.

The UK government have said nothing but the England vaccination number yesterday was the lowest in weeks.

That was kept quiet.

We only know why because of that briefing a week ago in Scotland. Regardless of why she said it we deserved to be in the loop and it should be coming in the UK press conferences.

We have also been told repeatedly ( I have counted 6 times now in the last 24 hours) by ministers and media that we are still above the peak hospital patients of the first wave.

That is untrue and has been untrue now for 4 days.

If numbers rise today it might change but the trend has been down for three weeks now so hopefully not.

I prefer to hear the facts as they actually are and not the ones people want you to hear for whatever reason they choose to mislead. As free from politics as possible.

This is why I started looking for the data myself and posting it here. To remove the spin.

Then at least you get to decide on the facts not the perception of the facts someone wants you to have.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Simple - no jab - then don't expect to live your life the way you once did.

Sad that society will have to leverage those ignorant enough not to bother.

Whether that be them never being allowed to travel out of the country again or attend a sporting event, go to the cinema.

Let's see if that changes a few selfish standpoints...

 

[Tim of the Oak]

True but perceptions especially in older generations, which is those we are currently vaccinating, may well be based on historical realities.

I agree mate but it’s a shame more peole don’t look at the here and now. They would see the NHS Directors of Primary Care and People / HR are BAME (in England) and much of the leadership of the British Medical Association has been for many years. There have also been Presidents of Medical Colleges of various ethnicities. Btw Before the last decade or so, the Medical Profession in Britain was dominated by Scots but I won’t hold that against them.

 

[RobMCFC]

Simple - no jab - then don't expect to live your life the way you once did.

Sad that society will have to leverage those ignorant enough not to bother.

Whether that be them never being allowed to travel out of the country again or attend a sporting event, go to the cinema.

Let's see if that changes a few selfish standpoints...

The question is how we deal with things in the short term - e.g. are you allowed to go on holiday if you've had the jabs, but other members of your family who are younger, haven't?