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The young have sacrificed their freedoms to protect the lives of vulnerable people.

Vulnerable people who have been vaccinated should then have to sacrifice their freedoms in return to allow for everyone else to to get their jab.

No way should they be allowed to travel if the young aren’t, just because they’ve been vaccinated before them.
 
brian the blue said:
The young have sacrificed their freedoms to protect the lives of vulnerable people.

Vulnerable people who have been vaccinated should then have to sacrifice their freedoms in return to allow for everyone else to to get their jab.

No way should they be allowed to travel if the young aren’t, just because they’ve been vaccinated before them.
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Why? how does that make it better for the young. They still can't travel. Besides who decides. If the governement open up travel from May, and other countries put rules in place. It's not for our government to then impose restrictions on those that have had vaccines, been told they can travel and told by Greece or Spain or whereever they can go.
 
Healdplace said:
What is the upshot of this?

Cases were falling globally a lot. Now they are flattening or going up in most places? Is that the right order of interpreting those tweets as it fits what happened here in January into February though I would not say it is yet obviously slowing just falling less quickly as there is less far to fall - so natural.

And if global patterning then regardless of if strict measures are in place or if or how far into any vaccination programme countries might be?

Is that the essence of those tweets and the WHO declaration?

If so what is going on here? There must be some scientists who think they know.

This virus has never behaved the same way everywhere up to now. It has to a degree depended on seasons, outbreak, control methods used, social dynamics and geography or social demographics etc. Why would that shift?
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Yeah, your take from these graphs/tweets is the same as mine. They were in rapid decline almost globally but recently there's been some flatlining and uptick in N.America and elsewhere Europe again.

It'll be interesting to see if the UK can remain exempt from a general uptick throughout Europe, in which case it would on the face of it, be further positive news for the vaccines which UK are a bit ahead on currently. In turn, if other and perhaps more vaccine skeptical nations see this take place it could spell better news for overall uptake. That's my optimistic vision of this, how realistic it'll be remains to be seen!
 
brian the blue said:
The young have sacrificed their freedoms to protect the lives of vulnerable people.

Vulnerable people who have been vaccinated should then have to sacrifice their freedoms in return to allow for everyone else to to get their jab.

No way should they be allowed to travel if the young aren’t, just because they’ve been vaccinated before them.
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Let’s not blow things out of proportion - it’s not like we’re going to see flightloads of 70-80+ year olds heading off to an all inclusive for Zante for a fortnight

I’m 20s so well down the vaccine queue, but confident all first doses will be done by the summer, perhaps even all second doses by autumn. Meanwhile those able to resume their life, by all means crack on. Very few things about the pandemic have been ‘fair’.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Let’s hope that everyone has been offered the vaccine by then, otherwise it’s massively unfair on those who are not classed as vulnerable. All those who are low risk and have sacrificed a year to protect the vulnerable shouldn’t be punished for not yet being elegible for the vaccine.
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Absolutely agree. This vaccine passport initiative should only be implemented once everybody has been offered the vaccine.
 
blueparrot said:
Why? how does that make it better for the young. They still can't travel. Besides who decides. If the governement open up travel from May, and other countries put rules in place. It's not for our government to then impose restrictions on those that have had vaccines, been told they can travel and told by Greece or Spain or whereever they can go.
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If you were in the 2nd year of Uni when this began, you’ve effectively had to pay all the tuition fees, whilst having your uni experience cut in half. You’ve not been able to go on group holidays, you’ve not been able to go out on the piss, you’ve not been able to shag around.. you’ve sacrificed 18 months of the best time of your lives to protect vulnerable people.

So now it’s fair for Diabetic Dave, who’s been jabbed up because he’s unhealthy and in his 60’s, to head off on holiday in May whilst the people who have sacrificed so much have to wait for 3 more months when hopefully they’ll have had their first jab, whilst still having to wait for their 2nd before they can do anything?
 
Wales data:

13 deaths - was 30 last week

236 cases - was 374 last week

Positivity 4.1% - was 5.7% last week

Weekly Pop 76 - was 79 yesterday and 86 last week.

These are really good numbers today.

Note how slowly the Pop Score is falling now but only because it is so low so it is just harder to go lower.

76 for a national weekly Pop is amazing tbh. Nowhere in GM has been near there since September.

Trafford - best in GM right now - is at 134 - double the above- in the GM numbers I posted last night.
 
blueparrot said:
Wouldn't that be up to Greece. I won't be done by May but don't see that as a reason to begrudge anyone that has been done going. Seems a bit petty.
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It isn't petty.

Many have been furloughed or have lost their jobs and stayed at home to protect those who would be first in the queue for a vaccine. A bit toss for those vaccinated to enjoy liberties ahead of those who've been impacted the hardest.

Just implement when everybody has been offered the vacc.
 
brian the blue said:
If you were in the 2nd year of Uni when this began, you’ve effectively had to pay all the tuition fees, whilst having your uni experience cut in half. You’ve not been able to go on group holidays, you’ve not been able to go out on the piss, you’ve not been able to shag around.. you’ve sacrificed 18 months of the best time of your lives to protect vulnerable people.

So now it’s fair for Diabetic Dave, who’s been jabbed up because he’s unhealthy and in his 60’s, to head off on holiday in May whilst the people who have sacrificed so much have to wait for 3 more months when hopefully they’ll have had their first jab, whilst still having to wait for their 2nd before they can do anything?
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My son is in his 2nd year at uni. He's had all those things you mention. How ,if I have had my vaccine end of May, does me not going on a holiday if it's available change any of what he's sacrificed. He would have no objection to me going away, not that I will be, just because he cant for a few more months. Life isn't always fair, levelling down doesn't make things better for those you level down to.
 
M18CTID said:
Thanks. Not really been up to speed with how it's going over there but just had a look at the figures and it's astonishing how seriously impressive they were during the first wave compared to how it's unravelled in the second and third waves. Is there any particular reason why it's currently so bad despite you being in lockdown? Are certain things open that ought not to be or an increase in non-compliance amongst the public perhaps?
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Not really. In theory it is a pretty strict lockdown. Schools/bars/restaurants are closed, we have a 9PM curfew, only essential shops are open and masks must be worn (no exceptions). I assume people must be breaking the rules but I haven't seen any of it.
 
Wales vaccination data:

878, 506 first doses - 8853 yesterday - up from 7405 day before - was 11, 424 last wk

59, 279 second doses - 9550 yesterday - up from 6977 day before - was 5737 last wk
 
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Northernstorirs said:
It isn't petty.

Many have been furloughed or have lost their jobs and stayed at home to protect those who would be first in the queue for a vaccine. A bit toss for those vaccinated to enjoy liberties ahead of those who've been impacted the hardest.

Just implement when everybody has been offered the vacc.
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Nah, sooner we start improving the economy, the better for all. Especially the young who are going to be hit hardest when this is over. Travel industry employs youth, older people spend the money.
 
Scotland data:

47 deaths - was 64 last week

798 cases - was 1121 last week

3.9% positivity - was - 5.2% last week

1018 patients - down 58 in day - was 1347 last week

93 ventilated icu - same as yesterday - was 99 last week

More really good numbers and just like England that positivity number is tumbling.
 
asahartford1 said:
Nah, sooner we start improving the economy, the better for all. Especially the young who are going to be hit hardest when this is over. Travel industry employs youth, older people spend the money.
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Suppose, I don't think the passport will be introduced for pubs and restaurants etc. Think main focus will be holidays abroad and events (sports and gigs etc).
 
Northernstorirs said:
It isn't petty.

Many have been furloughed or have lost their jobs and stayed at home to protect those who would be first in the queue for a vaccine. A bit toss for those vaccinated to enjoy liberties ahead of those who've been impacted the hardest.

Just implement when everybody has been offered the vacc.
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And that helps both the young and the economy, especially that sector that’s on its arse how exactly by making everyone wait a few more months? And practically let’s say Spain says you need a vaccine but France doesn’t. So everyone can travel to France but nobody is allowed to Spain until some later date? I agree that it’s unworkable domestically but for international travel surely we need to get it moving as soon as. should only be a month or two in between anyhow?
 
Scotland vaccination update:

1, 488, 077 first doses given - 22, 836 yesterday - up from 19, 753 day before - was 32, 070 last wk

50, 121 second doses given - 6918 yesterday - up from 5861 day before - was 3272 last wk

84% of those aged 65 - 69 now vaccinated
 
Northernstorirs said:
Suppose, I don't think the passport will be introduced for pubs and restaurants etc. Think main focus will be holidays abroad and events (sports and gigs etc).
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Think that may evolve as we go and will centre around employers responsabilities to keep staff and customers safe and will follow on from whatever judgements come down if someone goes to court
 
Zoe app yesterday predicted 9651 cases in UK and we got 8489

Today it predicts 9684.

For those who do not know - Zoe app records people reporting to them with Covid symptoms across large numbers in the UK day to day and creates maps of where most people think they might have Covid from these symptoms but may not yet have tested positive.

So it is educated guesstimation and potentially a day or so ahead of the actual numbers.

Not predictive other than broadly but often a good guide and is rarely very far out
 
brian the blue said:
The young have sacrificed their freedoms to protect the lives of vulnerable people.

Vulnerable people who have been vaccinated should then have to sacrifice their freedoms in return to allow for everyone else to to get their jab.

No way should they be allowed to travel if the young aren’t, just because they’ve been vaccinated before them.
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By the same argument then it’s a good job we didn’t stop everyone going out (like the young) over the summer when restrictions were relaxed just because a few million couldn’t as they had to remain shielding isn’t it?
 
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