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Cheesy said:
Approx 1 in 1000 women taking the contraceptive pill will develop a blood clot (so I think I read).

Is this significantly different to the numbers being reported after the AZ jab?
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I think it’s a specific type of a rate blood clot that the fuss is about, rather than the overall number of of peole with blood clots.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
There's a stringency index here.

I've put a few countries in for comparison.

This year, we've had pretty much the hardest lock down in the world.

Last year, I think some were worse.

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But we haven't been stringent at all where it counts.
- Food shopping.
- isolation after testing positive.
 
Healdplace said:
If it was not so tragic it would be like a scene from Allo Allo.

You must wait for zee vaccine as it is not safe for over 65s.

You must wait for zee vaccine as it is not deemed safer than flying to the moon in a tin bath for under 65s.

You can have it now if you are under 65. It is safe.

You cannot have it if you are under 65 as it is more risky than drinking prosecco on top of a cliff.

But you can have it if you are over 65 as it is safer than dying which you probably will if you don't give it a chance.

Why is nobody turning up to have this vaccine? Come on you people do it or Germany. It is safe. Sort of. Honest.

We have not got enough vaccine. Lets hoard all that vaccine by what is it called - Astra Zeneca.

Oh - that one - is it safe?



How to destroy the one thing that the world needs to go smoothly right now. Confidence in vaccines when there are hundreds out there desperate to put people off having it for ridiculous reasons. Helping their case with constant flip flopping and a contagion as deadly as Covid itself spreading around the globe. Yes with a legitimate reason just about but one that should have been quietly investigated before all this flapping about that has all but killed any chance people will trust it in many nations that desperately need it as it is so cheap.

A catastrophic PR job by politicians who should know better.

Why is nobody asking the obvious question in these countries - if it that dangerous why is there not a big problem in the one place where millions have been having it for months without issue?

It would have been fairly obvious by now - surely - after millions of doses administered to both young and old.
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All I know is 594 folks have died after having a jab in the UK out of 34,518,958 jabs or 0.00001731%
That's a lot less than the chance of dying of old age in a year if your over 50. Less than dying on a particular day too.
UK deaths after having a vaccine jab:
259 Pfizer.
356 O-AZ.
9 Unknown Vaccine.
Barely any difference percentage wise as around 60% of jabs given in the UK have been AZ (that is heasay gleaned from reading the press - there are no official figures). In fact, slightly more Pfizer deaths per jab have occurred if this is the case.
Oh and the overall number of blood clots have reduced as compared with the population of those not vaccinated.
 
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Tim of the Oak said:
I think it’s a specific type of a rate blood clot that the fuss is about, rather than the overall number of of peole with blood clots.
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I think this is right.
From a regulatory point of view, a risk has been flagged up on something; 9 deaths and 31 cases is being reported. It is a valid approach to pause to investigate who/what links may exist, rather than just keep administering and hope no-one else is killed by it before it's investigated.

It may seem risk-averse, but ethically, it's entirely sound. First do no harm.

Trying to administer something with a safety question mark raised like this over it is not going to be defensible.

Other factors may also play into it - as of mid-March, Germany was on 6.5 million 1st doses and nearly 3 million 2nd doses, much of which will be Pfizer. That 2nd dose count is similar to the UK ten days later (according to Statista) - they may also be viewing that they've 2nd dosed the vast majority of the most vulnerable, and suspension is not going to be significantly endangering.

It does seem strange that it's not been identified here, but who knows why - interaction with drugs only used in Germany? demographic being affected that hasn't been vaccinated here?
 
BlueAnorak said:
All I know is 594 folks have died after having a jab in the UK out of 34,518,958 jabs or 0.00001731%
That's a lot less than the chance of dying of old age in a year if your over 50. Less than dying on a particular day too.
UK deaths after having a vaccine jab:
259 Pfizer.
356 O-AZ.
9 Unknown Vaccine.
Barely any difference percentage wise as around 60% of jabs given in the UK have been AZ (that is heasay gleaned from reading the press - there are no official figures). In fact, slightly more Pfizer deaths per jab have occurred if this is the case.
Oh and the overall number of blood clots have reduced as compared with the population of those not vaccinated.
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Do we even know whether any of those deaths have been directly attributed to the vaccine?
 
Marvin said:
We already know the vaccines work. We know from the trials, we know from the evidence of the elderly in the UK< and we know from Israel. But only half the population have been vaccinated and the young who spread it are unvaccinated.

How long it's going to take the world to get vaccinated. That really determines how quickly we get out of this.

Mr Biden the self-confessed globalist needs to organise some global campaign once his domestic campaign is done.

I don't get why national governments have not organised mass production of vaccines in the same way they approached ventilators. Everything here is left to private industry but they only do what is profitable.
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Given the huge relevance of age and pre-existing medical conditions, I think the best strategy might well be offering the vaccine to all the worlds ‘vulnerable’ and not bothering with the under 50’s. Effectively the U.K. would be less than 2 months away from fully vaccinating that group and Europe and the rest could quite easily catch up. Cant see any point whatsoever in vaccinating young healthy people against a disease which poses such a tiny relative risk and using the threat of a vaccine passport is shamefully coercive.
 
Seriously I await the female contraceptive pill being banned in Germany.
www.bbc.co.uk

How risky is the contraceptive pill?

A recent study linked the contraceptive pill with depression. But poorly interpreted statistics might pose a bigger risk for women.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
An average of 7.5 / 10,000 get a clot as a result of the pill and 1% of those who get a clot die.
That's a chance of 0.0000075.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Given the huge relevance of age and pre-existing medical conditions, I think the best strategy might well be offering the vaccine to all the worlds ‘vulnerable’ and not bothering with the under 50’s. Effectively the U.K. would be less than 2 months away from fully vaccinating that group and Europe and the rest could quite easily catch up. Cant see any point whatsoever in vaccinating young healthy people against a disease which poses such a tiny relative risk and using the threat of a vaccine passport is shamefully coercive.
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I'd only bring vaccine passports in for the Covid deniers/anti-vaxx conspiracy theorists: "Prove you're not a bellend and we'll let you back into society!"
 
M18CTID said:
Do we even know whether any of those deaths have been directly attributed to the vaccine?
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Is that not why they are pausing the administration whilst it is investigated? Of course it is the right thing to do, if young, healthy women are seen to be at risk of dying from the vaccine do you not think they should do this? If it turns out to not be the case then great, but if it turns out further down the line that it was and they ignored it then that will destroy all future confidence in vaccines.

Remember that these younger women (if it is mostly women as speculated) are at practically no risk of dying from covid, so if it’s not investigated properly and cleared up they just won’t get vaccinated.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Seriously I await the female contraceptive pill being banned in Germany.
www.bbc.co.uk

How risky is the contraceptive pill?

A recent study linked the contraceptive pill with depression. But poorly interpreted statistics might pose a bigger risk for women.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
An average of 7.5 / 10,000 get a clot as a result of the pill and 1% of those who get a clot die.
That's a chance of 0.0000075.
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While we're at it the figures for the detected coralation are roughly equivalent to the to the chances of getting one of these rare clots from Heparin (the anti clot drug). And the one thing I can guarantee is that if you are admitted to hospital with Covid-19 you will be given a dose of that.
 
Nightmare Walking said:
I read 8 cases with one death, out of 7 million administered.

It seems to be in young and middle aged ladies, with possible links to the pill
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The figures do vary between 5 and 8 for the UK, 1 fatality. Around 33% of the them had the Phizer jab and all cases in Germany are, as you say women who have used the contraceptive pill. There have been no cases in Canada but still a pause on use. I really believe there's an element of Corporate Sabotage involved. AZ are doing the jab at cost, other producers at full profit price. If AZ swept the world, profits would be less than expected for the other players. Slow the roll out of AZ down and set the tills ringing. (I have no evidence for this, other theories are available. No animals were harmed producing this reply)
 
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True_Blue69 said:
Is that not why they are pausing the administration whilst it is investigated? Of course it is the right thing to do, if young, healthy women are seen to be at risk of dying from the vaccine do you not think they should do this? If it turns out to not be the case then great, but if it turns out further down the line that it was and they ignored it then that will destroy all future confidence in vaccines.

Remember that these younger women (if it is mostly women as speculated) are at practically no risk of dying from covid, so if it’s not investigated properly and cleared up they just won’t get vaccinated.
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I wasn't referring to Germany pausing the AZ vaccine - I was referring to the numbers of deaths in this country that @BlueAnorak had listed within close proximity to having either vaccine, of which Pfizer actually seems to be a bit higher, and asking whether any of those deaths have been proven to be directly as a result of taking the vaccine.

What Germany have done is a completely different matter altogether and I agree that they need to investigate it
 
ancoats said:
been out and about today around ancoats the new islington ?? crazy amount of people on the canals mixing like nothing has happened ?? no mask bunches of people all within touching distance crazy

we will never learn and you can bet most of the uk is the same ? i will give it a week and death will be rising fast
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Same in good ol Didsbury. Party time for the spoilt Tarquins and fruity girls.
Eco warriors. Huge amounts of Litter cans, bottles, bbq's strewn all over the parks.
 
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