Coronavirus (2021) thread

[unicorn]

Really?
What lock down?
The only thing I haven’t been able to do that I did before were travel abroad, play golf, shop at IKEA and eat in restaurants!

The only things I haven't been able to do are the ONLY things I care about; see parents and children, travel, visit pubs and restaurants, watch City at the Etihad and go to gigs. I suppose breathing is still allowed.

 

[ctwrd]

Yawn at “what lockdown?”.

only a blind man has not seen the empty high streets, pubs, restaurants, hairdressers and empty roads.

Anyone arguing that there hasn’t been a lockdown (with the suggestion there needs to be a “proper” one) needs to explain why lockdown works if there hasn’t been a lockdown.

 

[True_Blue69]

Yawn at “what lockdown?”.

only a blind man has not seen the empty high streets, pubs, restaurants, hairdressers and empty roads.

Anyone arguing that there hasn’t been a lockdown (with the suggestion there needs to be a “proper” one) needs to explain why lockdown works if there hasn’t been a lockdown.

If the lockdown has not impacted someone’s life massively, just be glad you don’t lead that life. It’s been fucking shit throughout can’t wait for it to even get back to what it was last summer when there were still restrictions.

 

[Marvin]

i think lockdown and the vaccines have a major part in the numbers coming down ? now we will see if the vaccines alone will keep it down. its crazy to see so many people just not giving a fuck about covid-19 now

i still think the vaccines are going to take more time and improvements before we all should be look at starting again and getting back to normal. but the youth can not wait for a normal life. they need to party and party hard never thinking about tomorrow or other people

i truly hope the vaccines work and everybody can lead a normal life again ? but as for covid-19 its never going away and the normal life will be 4 months of summer and some sort of life and then winter lockdown again

We already know the vaccines work. We know from the trials, we know from the evidence of the elderly in the UK< and we know from Israel. But only half the population have been vaccinated and the young who spread it are unvaccinated.

How long it's going to take the world to get vaccinated. That really determines how quickly we get out of this.

Mr Biden the self-confessed globalist needs to organise some global campaign once his domestic campaign is done.

I don't get why national governments have not organised mass production of vaccines in the same way they approached ventilators. Everything here is left to private industry but they only do what is profitable.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Germany restricted use of AZ again.

 

[cleavers]

Today is the 30th, reporting date = 30th, so two lots of data (29th and 30th) have fed into that total for the 28th.

In PCR tests up to a few weeks ago, barely any tests would be reported today with a specimen date of 29th and not a right lot for the 28th + 29th BUT the LFT tests are nearly instant plus I think there's an online reporting tool where you can log results if you're doing it at home (eg school kids) so we're in a new phase where the bulk of reported tests are actually withing quite a recent time frame

It's just the old specimen date Vs reported date thing, but with a new angle

OK thanks, that makes sense I guess.

 

[cleavers]

Germany restricted use of AZ again.

Idiots, for the miniscule number of deaths "linked" to the AZ vaccine, hundreds are actually dying of the virus.

 

[ancoats]

We already know the vaccines work. We know from the trials, we know from the evidence of the elderly in the UK< and we know from Israel. But only half the population have been vaccinated and the young who spread it are unvaccinated.

How long it's going to take the world to get vaccinated. That really determines how quickly we get out of this.

Mr Biden the self-confessed globalist needs to organise some global campaign once his domestic campaign is done.

I don't get why national governments have not organised mass production of vaccines in the same way they approached ventilators. Everything here is left to private industry but they only do what is profitable.

we don't know the vaccines work proper ? its to soon to know because of the lockdown ? the vaccines roll out has been on going for months and deaths was still rising. yes the mass population had not had a vaccine and it was lockdown slowing the rise in deaths. now we will see if covid-19 can live together with a vaccine human and we don't suffer anymore that's the biggest test still to come

covid-19 will always be here its living with it that's what the vaccines are made for. like i said the coming winter months will be the biggest test. i think we will need another lockdown or something. because when you get a cold or flu covid-19 will be something else to hit you with

the flu jab and covid-19 jab are going to be give out to everybody over 50 for years to come

 

[west didsblue]

Germany restricted use of AZ again.

Getting ridiculous now. Wtf are they playing at?

 

[Healdplace]

Idiots, for the miniscule number of deaths "linked" to the AZ vaccine, hundreds are actually dying of the virus.

If it was not so tragic it would be like a scene from Allo Allo.

You must wait for zee vaccine as it is not safe for over 65s.

You must wait for zee vaccine as it is not deemed safer than flying to the moon in a tin bath for under 65s.

You can have it now if you are under 65. It is safe.

You cannot have it if you are under 65 as it is more risky than drinking prosecco on top of a cliff.

But you can have it if you are over 65 as it is safer than dying which you probably will if you don't give it a chance.

Why is nobody turning up to have this vaccine? Come on you people do it or Germany. It is safe. Sort of. Honest.

We have not got enough vaccine. Lets hoard all that vaccine by what is it called - Astra Zeneca.

Oh - that one - is it safe?



How to destroy the one thing that the world needs to go smoothly right now. Confidence in vaccines when there are hundreds out there desperate to put people off having it for ridiculous reasons. Helping their case with constant flip flopping and a contagion as deadly as Covid itself spreading around the globe. Yes with a legitimate reason just about but one that should have been quietly investigated before all this flapping about that has all but killed any chance people will trust it in many nations that desperately need it as it is so cheap.

A catastrophic PR job by politicians who should know better.

Why is nobody asking the obvious question in these countries - if it that dangerous why is there not a big problem in the one place where millions have been having it for months without issue?

It would have been fairly obvious by now - surely - after millions of doses administered to both young and old.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Getting ridiculous now. Wtf are they playing at?

Germany’s vaccine regulator said on Tuesday it has recorded 31 cases of a rare blood clot in the brain, nine of which resulted in deaths, after people received a COVID-19 vaccine from AstraZeneca.

 

[cleavers]

It would have been fairly obvious by now - surely - after millions of doses administered to both young and old.

I think they said 8 cases in the UK so far of the clot, don't know if that is just clots or deaths from clots ?

Anyway it's utter madness, but if they don't want theirs, send them here, I'm sure we'll find a use for them.

 

[SiMCFC]

I think they said 8 cases in the UK so far of the clot, don't know if that is just clots or deaths from clots ?

Anyway it's utter madness, but if they don't want theirs, send them here, I'm sure we'll find a use for them.

They will be back to pissing and whinging there isn't enough of it and they will be blocking exports in a few days, complete idiot's.

 

[Healdplace]

It is not that the cases should be investigated. Of course they should. But the constant flip flopping is worse than just quietly researching. Delaying the introduction until you had. And then making a balanced judgement based on the evidence from trusted countries who have used it for months already.

You simply do not do what they have done here. If there is any truth in this they have just set themselves wide open to being sued to high heaven as a state by those impacted by the deaths that occurred after they cleared it for the first or second time or whatever we are up to now in some of these nations.

Why are their people not asking if it is their health service at fault over administering it not the vaccine if so many more cases are occurring there from far fewer jabs than in the UK.

Or are we going to be told there is a great cover up here of hundreds of such tragedies?

I am struggling to see how this even makes any sense as a policy. It just seems like self destruction of your vaccine programme at its most crucial phase.

Because plenty of citizens in the midst of this are bound to feel if one vaccine is like this why should we trust any of them?

 

[Nightmare Walking]

I think they said 8 cases in the UK so far of the clot, don't know if that is just clots or deaths from clots ?

Anyway it's utter madness, but if they don't want theirs, send them here, I'm sure we'll find a use for them.

I read 8 cases with one death, out of 7 million administered.

It seems to be in young and middle aged ladies, with possible links to the pill

 

[cleavers]

I read 8 cases with one death, out of 7 million administered.

It seems to be in young and middle aged ladies, with possible links to the pill

Thanks.

I suspect the number administered is now higher, and that there is no actual proof that it's the AZ vaccine causing them.

How many other women on the pill have had clots in the same period that haven't been vaccinated ?

 

[ayrshire_blue]

It is not that the cases should be investigated. Of course they should. But the constant flip flopping is worse than just quietly researching. Delaying the introduction until you had. And then making a balanced judgement based on the evidence from trusted countries who have used it for months already.

You simply do not do what they have done here. If there is any truth in this they have just set themselves wide open to being sued to high heaven as a state by those impacted by the deaths that occurred after they cleared it for the first or second time or whatever we are up to now in some of these nations.

Why are their people not asking if it is their health service at fault over administering it not the vaccine if so many more cases are occurring there from far fewer jabs than in the UK.

Or are we going to be told there is a great cover up here of hundreds of such tragedies?

I am struggling to see how this even makes any sense as a policy. It just seems like self destruction of your vaccine programme at its most crucial phase.

Because plenty of citizens in the midst of this are bound to feel if one vaccine is like this why should we trust any of them?

It's a difficult one. From what I can gather, researchers from both Germany and Norway are now sure of a link between the AZ vaccine and the clotting, causing death in a limited number of cases.

From 1.6m AZ vaccines administered, they initially encountered 7 CVT cases when they would have expected a maximum of 1. Now with 2.7m AZ vaccines administered they have encountered 31 cases, 29 of them being women. I do wonder if these numbers are under estimated to some extent too, with perhaps difficulty investigating or linking other incidents of this nature.

I fully understand that on the scale of Covid itself these are small numbers. But when weighing up risk for the female population under a certain age, would it be fair to force the AZ vaccine on them when others are approved with no known (as yet) risks of the same complications?

In the short term, we all want out of this mess ASAP. But in the longer term I can see why continuing administering this to people of that age group with a known link could potentially play into the hands of anti vaxxers and provide them with ammunition, heaven forbid in any future pandemic.

I don't know what the right answer is and I'm just playing devil's advocate to a certain extent. I can see why they'd pause it if further information is coming to light with a clear causation which seems to be what's developing.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

It's a difficult one. From what I can gather, researchers from both Germany and Norway are now sure of a link between the AZ vaccine and the clotting, causing death in a limited number of cases.

From 1.6m AZ vaccines administered, they initially encountered 7 CVT cases when they would have expected a maximum of 1. Now with 2.7m AZ vaccines administered they have encountered 31 cases, 29 of them being women. I do wonder if these numbers are under estimated to some extent too, with perhaps difficulty investigating or linking other incidents of this nature.

I fully understand that on the scale of Covid itself these are small numbers. But when weighing up risk for the female population under a certain age, would it be fair to force the AZ vaccine on them when others are approved with no known (as yet) risks of the same complications?

In the short term, we all want out of this mess ASAP. But in the longer term I can see why continuing administering this to people of that age group with a known link could potentially play into the hands of anti vaxxers and provide them with ammunition, heaven forbid in any future pandemic.

I don't know what the right answer is and I'm just playing devil's advocate to a certain extent. I can see why they'd pause it if further information is coming to light with a clear causation which seems to be what's developing.

Are we clear whether researchers in Germany and Norway are “sure” of a link between the AZ / Oxford jab and blood clots in young and middle aged women or if this is precaution. I agree that Covid is not a very high risk for these women so I can understand the vaccine roll out being paused for the groups under investigation. Especially if there is a possible link women taking birth control pills.

We have also had the big AZ study in the States that have found no links and likewise for the many millions of jabs given in the U.K. That said, maybe the Germans and Norwegians have been focussing vaccine roll out at younger female dominated occupations like nurses etc.

 

[Cheesy]

Approx 1 in 1000 women taking the contraceptive pill will develop a blood clot (so I think I read).

Is this significantly different to the numbers being reported after the AZ jab?

 

[Chappie]

It is not that the cases should be investigated. Of course they should. But the constant flip flopping is worse than just quietly researching. Delaying the introduction until you had. And then making a balanced judgement based on the evidence from trusted countries who have used it for months already.

You simply do not do what they have done here. If there is any truth in this they have just set themselves wide open to being sued to high heaven as a state by those impacted by the deaths that occurred after they cleared it for the first or second time or whatever we are up to now in some of these nations.

Why are their people not asking if it is their health service at fault over administering it not the vaccine if so many more cases are occurring there from far fewer jabs than in the UK.

Or are we going to be told there is a great cover up here of hundreds of such tragedies?

I am struggling to see how this even makes any sense as a policy. It just seems like self destruction of your vaccine programme at its most crucial phase.

Because plenty of citizens in the midst of this are bound to feel if one vaccine is like this why should we trust any of them?

Or is it all a smoke screen for their gross incompetence in the way they have handled the vaccine roll out