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03 March 2002 said:
Advice I saw was that if you've had first dose then you should receive second dose? Potential is much lower if you've already had the first dose.
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I understand that but I know from my annual chats with my GP that taking HRT increases risk of blood clots as we regularly consider dosage changes. So I have that to take into account too.

I am pretty sure we will be able to have mixture of vaccines before the autumn as a third jab is being touted and there may not be multiple updated ones. Hence they are researching mixing now. Some doctors even think that will be beneficial.

Not saying I will just refuse. But I will ask my doctor first before I get called in 3 weeks or so.
 
paulchapo said:
I'm on the fence about getting my second Astra Zenica jab. My arm is still tender ten weeks on and this clotting risk makes me wonder if another shot will trigger a worse reaction.
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Best bet is to Speak to your doc about your concerns as it might be something else
I was rough for a few days after my 1st vaccine but will defiantly have my second
Hope you soon fully ok
 
cyberblue said:
Lots more people get & die from blood clots after catching Covid 19 than they do from having the vaccine
No vaccine or medicine is without side effects.
4 people in 1 million might get a blood clot from the vaccine , While 10s of thousands have died from Covid in the UK
Am glad Van Tam & his colleagues are on the ball & keep monitoring progress
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All this is extremely logical but I'd be very surprised if it didn't spook a few people. For the huge majority of people who do not feel any fear / threat from Covid they will weigh up as to whether they want to take any risk of the vaccine vs perceived zero risk from Covid.

I'd happily take the AZ vaccine and am 39 with absolutely zero fear of covid having had it myself but not everyone will think like that it has to be accepted.
 
blueparrot said:
Hardly millions have had it with no problems, and will have the second one.
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Me included but I d o think this will seriously damage what could have been a global life saver. It has been handled pretty badly too as a PR exercise.

Most people who understand the facts will have it. But if you do not think plenty will choose not to have it then I fear you misread the harm this will do to confidence.

The doctors go on about benefit risk balance. I get that and will make an informed decision.

But plenty will say - I will wait for the ones where that risk is not even a factor.

Even though it may be and we will find that out in due course.

But its like saying will you risk flying in this thunderstorm as the odds of your plane crashing is very very low.

Or wait for the one tomorrow when the forecast is sunny and calm.

You do not need to watch Air Crash Investigations to know some will err on the side of caution - especially knowing millions of doses of multiple makes of vaccine are coming in the next months.
 
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BlueHammer85 said:
People slaughtered other countries in Europe for expressing similar concerns a few weeks ago
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Not giving it to anyone, as it doesn’t work, then giving to the over 65’s only, then to the over 55’s isn’t really the same as advising the low risk of Covid under 30’s to have a different one.
 
Healdplace said:
I understand that but I know from my annual chats with my GP that taking HRT increases risk of blood clots as we regularly consider dosage changes. So I have that to take into account too.

I am pretty sure we will be able to have mixture of vaccines before the autumn as a third jab is being touted and there may not be multiple updated ones. Hence they are researching mixing now. Some doctors even think that will be beneficial.

Not saying I will just refuse. But I will ask my doctor first before I get called in 3 weeks or so.
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Very sensible.
 
blueparrot said:
Hardly millions have had it with no problems, and will have the second one.
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Precisely, its a shame that a life saving drug is getting all this negative attention. Millions of women take the contraceptive pill across europe and thier chances of getting a clot is between 1 in 10,000 and 1 in 33, 000 and between 3 and 5% of people who fly develop blood clots. But this gets hardly any attention. Flying or taking a contraceptive pill are not essential and dont save your life but taking the AZ vaccine could easily save your life. Still a no brainer for me when you look at the stats.
 
Healdplace said:
Me included but I d o think this will seriously damage what could have been a global life saver. It has been handled pretty badly too as a PR exercise.

Most people who understand the facts will have it. But if you do not think plenty will choose not to have it then I fear you misread the harm this will do to confidence.
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As you say the EU raising concerns about the safety, ourselves kind of poo hooing it, now backtracking a bit kills people's confidence, rightly or wrongly. A lot will think, ," They knew about this but brushed it under the carpet, they see a few dying as a price worth paying."

As far as I'm aware no one has died from the other vaccines so a lot will think " Bugger that, I'm not being the one that has to take the risk, I've waited this long I'll wait for a safer one!"
 
Healdplace said:
I understand that but I know from my annual chats with my GP that taking HRT increases risk of blood clots as we regularly consider dosage changes. So I have that to take into account too.

I am pretty sure we will be able to have mixture of vaccines before the autumn as a third jab is being touted and there may not be multiple updated ones. Hence they are researching mixing now. Some doctors even think that will be beneficial.

Not saying I will just refuse. But I will ask my doctor first before I get called in 3 weeks or so.
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My wife is on HRT and has had her first AZ Jab with no issues, but we are now discussing it, your comment on mixing is interesting.

I understand that how you take HRT (oral v transdermal) may make a difference on risk factors with oral being a higher risk, but must stress I'm no means an expert on any of this.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Precisely, its a shame that a life saving drug is getting all this negative attention. Millions of women take the contraceptive pill across europe and thier chances of getting a clot is between 1 in 10,000 and 1 in 33, 000 and between 3 and 5% of people who fly develop blood clots. But this gets hardly any attention. Flying or taking a contraceptive pill are not essential and dont save your life but taking the AZ vaccine could easily save your life. Still a no brainer for me when you look at the stats.
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I can assure you it does get attention amongst women of which I suspect there are few on here. But the risks are well known and discussed.
 
BobKowalski said:
My wife is on HRT and has had her first AZ Jab with no issues, but we are now discussing it, your comment on mixing is interesting.

I understand that how you take HRT (oral v transdermal) may make a difference on risk factors with oral being a higher risk, but must stress I'm no means an expert on any of this.
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That is true, patches are safer but also more expensive and also if you have been on one of the pills for some time doctors are reluctant to change regimes if your levels test stable.

Hence why I will talk to her as this puts another factor into the equation of whether to switch to patches.
 
Healdplace said:
I do think this will sink the AZ vaccine sadly yes.

Indeed I may consider waiting myself now until they decide (as they will) they will not give two doses of AZ doubling the risk - rare as it is. Must be safer to have another version of the vaccine second on balance of risk.
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My mum had her 2nd this week and although it’s only one person, she was ill after the first but felt nothing unusual after the 2nd.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Precisely, its a shame that a life saving drug is getting all this negative attention. Millions of women take the contraceptive pill across europe and thier chances of getting a clot is between 1 in 10,000 and 1 in 33, 000 and between 3 and 5% of people who fly develop blood clots. But this gets hardly any attention. Flying or taking a contraceptive pill are not essential and dont save your life but taking the AZ vaccine could easily save your life. Still a no brainer for me when you look at the stats.
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The issue here being that a healthy under 30 year old is at risk or rare blood clots. We haven’t got anywhere near vaccinating under 30’s year so what’s to say the chances of this in under 30’s far exceeds that. If the risk of the vaccine outweighs the risk of the virus what would you do?
 
45 all settings deaths

2763 cases - a bit of a rise in England today.

As only 459 from the other 3 nations.

620, 776 tests only today.

Last few days were 740. 764 yesterday, 802, 924 day before, 392, 731 day before that and 542, 895 Saturday and 939, 390 on Good Friday.

All these just pillar 1 & 2 tests.

Cases for the test numbers above (in same order with tests approx in brackets):-

2763 TODAY (620K) - 2379 (740K) - 2762 (802K) - 2297 (392K) - 3423 (542K) - 3402 (939 K) (Good Friday_
 
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Healdplace said:
I can assure you it does get attention amongst women of which I suspect there are few on here. But the risks are well known and discussed.
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Yes, I'm 46 and have only have used the pill for 3 months in my early 20s then had to stop due to my leg swelling and family history of dvt. Never used it again.

Had to inject myself daily with an anti clotting thing for my entire pregnancy age 41 due to high risk. Am currently waiting for a scan on a lump on back of leg that consultant worried was possible clot ( but 3 was on still no appt so yes I guess they can't have been that worried..).

I am pretty scared of having the Oxford despite being so desperate for the vaccine. I was hoping we'd be on moderna in a week or two but now that's not likely as they will save it all for under 30s.

I got called a few days ago to have it! But had a bad cough so they said to wait til better. I just don't know what to do. My leg still hurts, my breathing has gone poor the last week and a resting heart rate is 110 instead of 80 to 90. So already worried that lump was a clot that's on it's way to my lungs! Had a covid test 2 days back so I know it's not that.

Nervous. Don't know what to do.
 
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