Coronavirus (2021) thread

[splinter]

so you throw the hospitality and travel industry under a bus again then?
Every day this sector is losing millions.

Yes

 

[mexico1970]

One of my grandchildren got sent home from school for the 3rd time because there was someone in his class tested positive. My daughter had booked a Blackpool trip for today so she booked him in for a test at a center near her only to be told it was only a drive in.

She doesn't drive, so she had to get on a bus out of her area with a maybe infected child to get a test done elsewhere. The whole thing is a mess.

 

[artfuldodger]

you can still go round to see your family
you can still go and see your mates
you can still go pub
you can still go to restaurants
you can travel anywhere in the UK and some destinations abroad
you can go cinema
you can go gym
more importantly, you can go for a nice walk, listen and review my album selection

what exactly is it you need so much for your mental well being ?

I think whether that's enough depends on your age and life style. My brother in law plays in a band. Until he can be back playing live music in pubs, his life is greatly diminished. My 20 year old son wont be happy until he can jump about in a mosh pit and go to a festival. God knows how anyone at present ever 'cops off' if you spend the evening seated at a table with your friends in a pub. How does anyone ever get chatting to a stranger? I feel for those who are single and hoping to meet someone special. If June 21st is moved back so be it. Wont bother me personally. But I think we need to remember that not everyone feels the same.

 

[Healdplace]

A delay until all over 50 are double jabbed by a few weeks may well make sense. But nobody really knows right now and we will likely see in about 2 weeks where we are headed from the figures then.

As for the press and TV 'stars', I learnt one thing long ago from dealing with them day to day.

I used to imagine the ego driven folk running these things saying to me pre any interview:-

Media, media - it's all about me, dear.

Made me smile and let them wash all over me - and with rare exceptions it usually was proven true.

 

[splinter]

I think whether that's enough depends on your age and life style. My brother in law plays in a band. Until he can be back playing live music in pubs, his life is greatly diminished. My 20 year old son wont be happy until he can jump about in a mosh pit and go to a festival. God knows how anyone at present ever 'cops off' if you spend the evening seated at a table with your friends in a pub. How does anyone ever get chatting to a stranger? I feel for those who are single and hoping to meet someone special. If June 21st is moved back so be it. Wont bother me personally. But I think we need to remember that not everyone feels the same.

Jab jab jab..and hope for the best come June 21

 

[shemnel]

Any delays (inevitable in my opinion) will need to contain a different approach for hospital appointments and treatments, as it is now plainly obvious that serious, delayed and/or routine hospital appointments are swamping the NHS in a way that covid will not (in my opinion).

The overall health picture of the UK needs to be taken as one very serious situation now, and covid is just another pressure. The backlog of those needing services is the most serious healthcare issue of the day. At present people can access hospitals and it must stay that way, while countering covid spread and pressures.

 

[Healdplace]

I find it amusing that Steve Coogan brilliantly plays an ego driven TV host in a pretty true to life way. Yet he also played Tony Wilson on screen who was in my experience one of the good guys who knew what he was really there to do.

These days the Covid press conference are filled with ego journalists asking questions that they will use to make the story about - look at what I got so and so to say to me today - later on.

 

[Healdplace]

The latest data from India looks hopeful. Positivity rate fell a lot in past few weeks and they seem to be heading out of the wave it has caused with other measures falling too.

The speed with which Bolton seems to have turned it round on early data here (which could change) suggests that we might yet have got to this just in time to make it reversible with vaccinations increasing as fast as possible.

I think it will turn on double vaccinating all the most vulnerable plus 2 weeks before we see a full opening up.

 

[Blue and still suffering]

Vietnam have told all expats to leave the country

Vietnam's vaccination rate is pretty low apparently I am sure that I read that only a small percentage of the population of 97 million had received a jab.

 

[Blue and still suffering]

A delay until all over 50 are double jabbed by a few weeks may well make sense. But nobody really knows right now and we will likely see in about 2 weeks where we are headed from the figures then.

As for the press and TV 'stars', I learnt one thing long ago from dealing with them day to day.

I used to imagine the ego driven folk running these things saying to me pre any interview:-

Media, media - it's all about me, dear.

Made me smile and let them wash all over me - and with rare exceptions it usually was proven true.

At times it seems to be more about them than the actual news. If you watch the interludes that are shown on BBC news 24 just before the top of the hour when they show people at various places you can imagine some of them saying "Don't you know who I am?"

 

[splinter]

The latest data from India looks hopeful. Positivity rate fell a lot in past few weeks and they seem to be heading out of the wave it has caused with other measures falling too.

The speed with which Bolton seems to have turned it round on early data here (which could change) suggests that we might yet have got to this just in time to make it reversible with vaccinations increasing as fast as possible.

I think it will turn on double vaccinating all the most vulnerable plus 2 weeks before we see a full opening up.

Be keeping a close eye on vaccination progress this week and next..

 

[BlueHammer85]

I feel for those who are single and hoping to meet someone special.

easiest times to be single nowadays, hundreds of dating apps to meet - then arrange a date, nice meal somewhere, drinks - my single mate just took a girl he met on tinder the other day to a roof top Golf thingy and is now going out with her.

 

[Healdplace]

ZOE APP

shows first FALL in a few days

3745 cases - down 363 in the day

Symptomatic cases are up but by significantly less - just 706 to - 54, 138 - It was up 3247 yesterday and has gone up well over 1000 for some days now.


Sunday Bank Holiday data though so that is a massive caveat How many will have bothered given that and thw good weather.


NORTH WEST NUMBERS



(Predicted active cases / Estimated cases per million population locally / Both V yesterday)

NW nationally has dtropped on yesterday but - with Scotland now - still in the higher tier.

South Ribble yeserdays worse falls a tier to 451 / 4115 V 643 / 5868

 

[artfuldodger]

easiest times to be single nowadays, hundreds of dating apps to meet - then arrange a date, nice meal somewhere, drinks - my single mate just took a girl he met on tinder to a roof top Golf thingy and is now going out with her.

Yes. As a 58 year old, I forget all about dating apps. I just think about the places where Ive met people who have become friends and sometimes more. Work, pubs, festivals, City, nightclubs. None of which would happen now. My best friend and partner met 10 years ago in a queue at Greggs? Would that even happen now with social distancing (:

 

[Nightmare Walking]

Yes. As a 58 year old, I forget all about dating apps. I just think about the places where Ive met people who have become friends and sometimes more. Work, pubs, festivals, City, nightclubs. None of which would happen now. My best friend and partner met 10 years ago in a queue at Greggs? Would that even happen now with social distancing (:

Yes, it's difficult for the fat fuckers in Greggs to social distance.

 

[Healdplace]

ZOE : GM data


(Predicted active cases / Estimated cases per million population locally / Both V yesterday)



New leader in the county - the borough that was long the best in GM.

TRAFFORD 1584 / 6764 V 1312 / 5603 - Rises into the highest watch zone and worse than both Bolton and Bury now.

Trafford today is the highest in the NW on Zoe. Only West Lancashire (area between Southport and Wigan) is alongside it in the highest watch zone on 572 / 5066




BURY though is down a lot to 763 / 4045 V 1100 / 5831 and half where it was 2 days agi. Which is good.

BOLTON also well down to 669 / 2362 V 1381 / 4874 yesterday.

MANCHESTER 1458 / 2675 V 972 / 1782 is UP quite a bit today. Overtakes Bolton as the case numbers have suggested it might be on the verge of doing in real numbers too.

WIGAN 524 / 1617 V 690 / 2130 - a fall here into the lowest watch tier.



GM now has MORE than half its 10 boroughs in the watch zone.


OLDHAM joins the lowest at 301 / 1287 V 55 / 235 yesterday - quite a large jump.
AND

STOCKPORT 398 / 1376 V 183 / 634 - does too with a result well in keeping with their case numbers for real over past few days. A doubling in a day.





So there are only three in GM now NOT in the Zoe watch zone:-

AND one of them is if you believe the Zoe numbers!

TAMESIDE - crazy numbers here again and Zoe seem to have given up on its guesstimate as it shows it would have leapt in one day from 132 / 589 to 3026 / 13, 522 - the highest in any UK borough in months if true. And by far the biggest single day jump.

I am pretty sure it isn't this and why they do not put it in a watch zone until they figure out why their data there is such a mess. But the reality is that almost certainly this too is up in the lower watch zone whatever true numbers it has. Tameside and Stockport as neighbour boroughs often follow one another.


So in reality only TWO GM Boroughs now not on Zoe watch lists and I would not bet on either of them avoiding doing so in coming days. Salford's numbers in real life especially are actually worse than Stockport's so these Zoe scores are a bit hard to explain. And Rochdale in real life and Zoe is close enough to enter tier one in a day.



ROCHDALE 117 / 535 V 128 / 584 - not changing much in these mid high numvers but edging down.

SALFORD 76 / 299 V 88 / 346 - happily another small fall the third in a row

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[Healdplace]

At times it seems to be more about them than the actual news. If you watch the interludes that are shown on BBC news 24 just before the top of the hour when they show people at various places you can imagine some of them saying "Don't you know who I am?"

Indeed, that was why as I explained in my anecdote I used that phrase before yet another interview well aware what to expect. And that was years ago. It is far worse today.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Yes. As a 58 year old, I forget all about dating apps. I just think about the places where Ive met people who have become friends and sometimes more. Work, pubs, festivals, City, nightclubs. None of which would happen now. My best friend and partner met 10 years ago in a queue at Greggs? Would that even happen now with social distancing (:

To be fair Greggs is a Michelin class restaurant for Manchester

 

[Healdplace]

On Zoe - the outbreak in Newcastle that has been happening a few days has spread to Sunderland according to their data.

The NE case numbers have been going up. For weeks it has had the lowest in England just ahead of the South West.

But last night NE was double where it was last week at 120 . And South West had stayed low at 66.

Indeed the South West has not had a case number in 3 figures for three weeks now. And its hospital numbers are almost non existent compared with other regions. Just 13 patients (v 173 in the NW) and 2 on ventilators (v 30 in the NW).

Of course SW is a rural area unlike the NW so will always be lower but this level of difference is huge and much higher than it normally is.

More relevant hereis its divergence from the NE with which it usually closely compares and now NE is double SW.

 

[Healdplace]

Finally on Zoe - North Lanarkshire is now the worst area in the UK - numbers up to 3169 / 9362 - nearly 4 times where Bolton is right now.

Nowhere south of Leicester on Zoe is in a watch area above the lowest right now.

Wrexham though in Wales has been escalating for a few days and now in the seciond tier and its cases might start to drive up the at present very good national data in Wales.