Coronavirus (2021) thread

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carlosthejackal said:
No doubt some of the scenarios you outline exist but a huge number are simply idiots who believe shite posted on Facebook etc from attention seekers rather than the medical professionals. Certainly plenty marching through the streets over the last few months worshipping at the feet of Piers Corbyn , bet they trust the doctors and nurses when gasping for air in ICU .
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Oh for sure. A substantial number may well be selfish.
 
Healdplace said:
Greater Manchester

Weekly total cases:-




Tameside 282, Oldham 299, Rochdale 375, Bury 393, Trafford 413, Wigan 601, Stockport 641, Salford 695, Bolton 933, Manchester 1372.



Manchester which is not surprisingly nearly always top scorer given its size is now pulling well clear. Bolton still easily in second but Salford and Stockport closing in. With Wigan in the 600s now too.

We now have to await some sign others can turn things around like Bolton has. Though Bolton's fall has stalled lately too.

Nobody now left below 200 either when only Manchester and Bolton were over there two weeks ago. And we may have none below 300 by tomorrow!
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who cares about case numbers it's completely irrelevant now. 85% of the high risk groups are fully vaccinated deaths and hospitalisations are going to be low from now onwards.
 
Anyone who has read my posts on this thread over the past year and a bit will know I’ve always taken this pandemic seriously and have observed the guidelines. I’ve not been 100% perfect at all times (who has?) but I’ve never failed to wear a mask in a shop or on public transport for example, plus I’ve called out the Covid denying fuckwits on numerous occasions.

However, I’m a bit miffed about this latest advice not to travel outside Greater Manchester. I have 4 nights booked in self contained accommodation near Filey starting on 28th June. That’s 20 days away. This evening I had my second jab so full efficacy will have pretty much kicked in by then. I also had Covid in January and taking all this into consideration along with the type of holiday we’re taking, I’m less at risk of catching and spreading it than many others so unless the latest guidance basically becomes law then I’m fucked if I’m not going away on June 28th. I’m guessing plenty of other people who have done their best to comply over the past 15 months feel exactly the same.
 
GM Weekly Pop Data after today:~

Borough / Pop Today / 7 days ago / up or down wk to wk/ Testing is % of local population who have tested positive for Covid over past year.

As ever with Pop going up is bad, going down good - the higher the number the better or worse depending on direction moving. The Pop is total cases in past week versus 100,000 POPulation to even out the comparison versus size and expected cases based on numbers living there.




Bolton 318 / 375 DOWN 57 Testing positive 10.8%

Salford 268 / 136 / UP 132 Testing positive 9.5%

Manchester 248 / 136 / UP 112 Testing positive 10.2%

Stockport 218 / 94 / UP 124 Testing positive 7.6%

Bury 205 / 144 / UP 61 Testing positive 9.5%

Wigan 183 / 86 / UP 97 Testing positive 9.3%

Trafford 174 / 78 / UP 96 Testing positive 7.4

Rochdale 169 / 95 / UP 74 Testing positive 10.0 %

Oldham 126 / 68 / UP 58 Testing positive 10.1%

Tameside 120 / 66 / UP 54 Testing positive 8.4


Bolton up slightly and only 50 now ahead of Salford as the leader of the trio rapidly catching it.

With Manchester and Stockport their huge week to week rises are quite a lot,

Stockport now over 200 and atop Bury.

Three huge week to week jumps well over 100 but we are now at the point where we start matching with already high scopres last week. With luck that will leas to some falls if the rise truly is stalling, If not we are in for ssome bad days to come.

The best two boroughs in GM are not doing a lot better just from a lower base.
 
M18CTID said:
Anyone who has read my posts on this thread over the past year and a bit will know I’ve always taken this pandemic seriously and have observed the guidelines. I’ve not been 100% perfect at all times (who has?) but I’ve never failed to wear a mask in a shop or on public transport for example, plus I’ve called out the Covid denying fuckwits on numerous occasions.

However, I’m a bit miffed about this latest advice not to travel outside Greater Manchester. I have 4 nights booked in self contained accommodation near Filey starting on 28th June. That’s 20 days away. This evening I had my second jab so full efficacy will have pretty much kicked in by then. I also had Covid in January and taking all this into consideration along with the type of holiday we’re taking, I’m less at risk of catching and spreading it than many others so unless the latest guidance basically becomes law then I’m fucked if I’m not going away on June 28th. I’m guessing plenty of other people who have done their best to comply over the past 15 months feel exactly the same.
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It won’t become law. From memory it wasn’t law even last year in the tier system. It was strongly advised not to travel between tiers. Not law.
 
Latest Vaccine Update by Population Percentage for 10 GM boroughs

Borough/ First Dose / Both Doses / TODAY V YESTERDAY



BOLTON 72.6% / 49.1% V 72.4% / 48.7%

BURY 71.7% / 51.8% V 71 6% / 51.2%

MANCHESTER 52.6 / 30.7 % V 52.4% / 30.4%

OLDHAM 66.9% / 46.2% V 66.7% / 45.9%

ROCHDALE 70.1% / 46.0% V 70.1% / 45.6%

SALFORD 59.3 % / 40. 5 % V 59.2% / 40.3%

STOCKPORT 75.5% / 54.2% V 75.1% / 53.9%

TAMESIDE 70.9% / 49.3 % V 70.8% / 49.0%

TRAFFORD 73.2% / 51.1% V 73.0% / 50.5%

WIGAN 74.7% / 53.1% V 74.6% / 52.7%
 
M18CTID said:
Anyone who has read my posts on this thread over the past year and a bit will know I’ve always taken this pandemic seriously and have observed the guidelines. I’ve not been 100% perfect at all times (who has?) but I’ve never failed to wear a mask in a shop or on public transport for example, plus I’ve called out the Covid denying fuckwits on numerous occasions.

However, I’m a bit miffed about this latest advice not to travel outside Greater Manchester. I have 4 nights booked in self contained accommodation near Filey starting on 28th June. That’s 20 days away. This evening I had my second jab so full efficacy will have pretty much kicked in by then. I also had Covid in January and taking all this into consideration along with the type of holiday we’re taking, I’m less at risk of catching and spreading it than many others so unless the latest guidance basically becomes law then I’m fucked if I’m not going away on June 28th. I’m guessing plenty of other people who have done their best to comply over the past 15 months feel exactly the same.
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Agree 100 per cent. If it is true that having two jabs reduces the risk of getting Covid by 90 per cent then why should this not be taken into account. We now have a situation where those who have followed the rules and done the right thing are being penalised. What a pair of clowns we have in Hancock and Burnham. More like Laurel and Hardy.
 
M18CTID said:
Anyone who has read my posts on this thread over the past year and a bit will know I’ve always taken this pandemic seriously and have observed the guidelines. I’ve not been 100% perfect at all times (who has?) but I’ve never failed to wear a mask in a shop or on public transport for example, plus I’ve called out the Covid denying fuckwits on numerous occasions.

However, I’m a bit miffed about this latest advice not to travel outside Greater Manchester. I have 4 nights booked in self contained accommodation near Filey starting on 28th June. That’s 20 days away. This evening I had my second jab so full efficacy will have pretty much kicked in by then. I also had Covid in January and taking all this into consideration along with the type of holiday we’re taking, I’m less at risk of catching and spreading it than many others so unless the latest guidance basically becomes law then I’m fucked if I’m not going away on June 28th. I’m guessing plenty of other people who have done their best to comply over the past 15 months feel exactly the same.
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Just go mate
I've got a few trips booked.
Past caring now, done my bit.
 
Summerbuzz said:
Fear mongering I haven't seen. We're simply trying to go through the facts. It might not be enough to change your point of view, and that's fine. Your opinion is yours and that's how it goes. It's far too easy however to just ignore and pretend things aren't the way they are. We did that in September, and last year. Always the cry comes back - fear mongering! Worst case scenarios! But it doesn't change the predictable nature of disease and the outcomes. It doesn't change reality.

It's basically people's lives, for me. Their right to continue to live. That, Vs what usually is an attitude of 'Not wanting to be told what to do anymore by busybodies'.

Unless you recognise that, recognise the cost of what you're saying should happen, you're a moral farce. If you do add it up, and still say that's what should happen - then you're a man, with an unshakeable belief.

Stop pushing it away. It's not that scary. When making predictions, we calculate a range of scenarios. The worst case has to be understood. What is usually referred to as 'the worst case' isn't anything like the worst case they can imagine, it's just a bad case. People are very rarely making things up, but people on all sides make mistakes and push their voice a little to hard. Some do latch on to every negative rather easily. Sometimes people will seek to use fear to convince people like you. This is all normal.

You're expected to see through that, and still look at the likely range of outcomes, and not tell yourself that it's someone else, it's people who deserve it. Or that vulnerable people can just take care of themselves, because it's never been the case, everyone's life relies on other people, everyone is connected together eventually by their contacts and spaces. That's why things have gone the way they have. That's the basic of understanding epidemiology.

Otherwise, we wouldn't be here, still. You're expected to look at what happened in December, and at the start of last year, and figure out what you've learned.

Because the only way out is to act proactively, to take the right measures early - otherwise it just comes back on us, like, we end up in lockdown for about 6 months, having waved away EVERYTHING in the second half of last year. I wanted to be out of this a lot earlier. I really did. That's why I supported the circuit breaker last year. Or anything. Because the longer we left it, the longer the eventual 'cure' would involve punitive measures.

We've made the same mistake twice now - ignored it and pretend that it will go away. And then at the last possible minute, taken drastic action. How many times? This isn't going away. If you just believe there is nothing more, then do us all a favour, tell us that, but stop telling us that people will be okay, it won't affect anyone who doesn't deserve it, because that's a cowards way out. Stand up for what you believe in - but don't keep telling us there's no cost, because we know it's not true, and it makes you look like a coward who can't face the truth. If nothing will change your mind, so be it. But that means you have to look at it all anyway, rather than just pretend that it is all just someone else's preference to make you scared. Because it isn't - it's your preference not face very sad facts, that in all likelyhood won't change your mind. But you're scared they will. And that's what people do - they don't want to change their mind on important issues. They don't want to later decide they feel differently, or that their priorities change. Adults, honestly, I believe all adults should have the ability to know this and deal with it. Look at it. Stop burying your head in the sand. We sell ourselves, our friends, and our country short when we take the easy way and suck our thumbs. If you believe in something, then remind yourself of that, when facing a fact that doesn't fit. Don't start spreading it around that the fact is a lie.
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The link between the disease and significant deaths is clearly broken. Everyone who isn't at risk needs to catch it or be vaccinated to save the vulnerable from the next, possibly worse varriant.
Not a message that some like to hear but true nonetheless.
 
MeatnSpudsMCFC said:
Seems clear that vaccines are the way out. Need to bulldoze them through the younger population and that includes the second doses.

Just had mine on Saturday and second is in 8-10 weeks.
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Absolutely.

Here, also from the FT, shows that even one dose of the vaccine is really effective. Two doses are absolutely necessary, but even that first dose is likely to keep you out of hospital.

Due to get mines next Tuesday.
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BLUEMATT23 said:
I've had loads of dates, few relationships
They never work for me sadly. I probably have to much going on and that puts them off, I wouldn't go out with myself.
I'm 45 and too old now I think.
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There's fellas in their 70s still shagging the arse off women half their age, you're not too old.

It's a very testing time for everybody at the moment. I'm very up and down usually, but noticing it in more people of late with the uncertainty of everything. Make time for positive things that you enjoy doing pal, life is too short to be unhappy and there are far too many memories and experiences left to achieve.
 
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