Coronavirus (2021) thread

[KS55]

1 is wrong and don't let the MP's and Government Scientists convince you otherwise.

There was an absolute ton of evidence that asymptomatic transmission was possible just look at the diamond princess papers from February 2020 which gave an ideal scenario of a contained environment spreading asymptomatically. They just choose to ignore the science published in other countries (even Italy and Spain had papers asymptomatic transmission before it kicked off here). They appeared to go down a mypoic UK centric point of view blaming poor UK data when actually you could just look at Italy as see what was going on.

for 2 they could have put them in covid recovery hotels pretty easily

3 is fair enough. It's been awfully run from the start to this day but they've got the vaccines rollout right so fair dos. I do believe they are trying the best.

Fair enough, a stated case. Thanks for that.
1. Neither of us know what the advice was. For example, a minister may have challenged quoting belief elsewhere, only to be told that NICE had assessed that as faulty. That's why I said wait for the enquiry.
2. Ppl who are in care are there for a reason. I doubt your solution would have been viable. Who would look after them?

 

[KS55]

I'll do what i want. They are vermin.

And you, according to Mat Syed, are a feral rat......

 

[paulchapo]

Last night I caught a local bus into Altrincham, a short journey of maybe ten minutes. In that time five adults got onto the bus, the oldest probably about 45, the youngest, about 18. Not one had a mask on, not one was challenged by the driver, who also was maskless. This was in spite of signs everywhere saying masks must be worn. On the tram later plenty without masks as well, mostly young adults 18-45. I sat there with my mask on thinking what's the point? No wonder it's spreading rapidly amongst younger people and throughout the region.

 

[Cheesy]

Shitty news of course but I will temper any disappointment in this news by listening to the BMA's thoughts on this rather than randoms on the net

 

[Bluesince1979]

I do understand that and I don’t make light of the situation so many millions are in particularly job wise and financially especially in the travel/entertainment industry.

But in terms that we’re all living in a totalitarian state and our lives are all being controlled and oppressed like that particular poster makes out - then yes, it becomes tedious

I agree. Just for some its still awful

i know its only money but its still a humongous worry when youre struggling to pay the bills

anyway, peace out

 

[Blue Maverick]

except it’s not - one more month makes perfect sense

Until there’s another variant and then another sorry mate, I’ve observed all the rules, I’ve worked all through it, now it’s time, I’m done. Open the country up but stop foreign travel coming in unless they quarantine if need be.

 

[Marvin]

Some good news on the variant from but it relates more to the world, and the future for the UK. I emboldened the key conclusion.

Paper title: Neutralization of SARS-CoV-2 VOC 501Y.V2 by human antisera elicited by both inactivated BBIBP-CorV and recombinant dimeric RBD ZF2001 vaccines)

Abstract​

Recently, the emerged and rapidly spreading SARS-CoV-2 variant of concern (VOC) 501Y.V2 with 10 amino acids in spike protein were found to escape host immunity induced by infection or vaccination. Global concerns have been raised for its potential to affect vaccine efficacy. Here, we evaluated the neutralization activities of two vaccines developed in China against 501Y.V2. One is licensed inactivated vaccine BBIBP-CorV and the other one is recombinant dimeric receptor-binding domain (RBD) vaccine ZF2001. Encouragingly, both vaccines largely preserved neutralizing titres, with slightly reduction, against 501Y.V2 authentic virus compare to their titres against both original SARS-CoV-2 and the currently circulating D614G virus. These data indicated that 501Y.V2 variant will not escape the immunity induced by vaccines targeting whole virus or RBD.

My comment: Chinese vaccines are largely inactivated whole virus, and the UK has huge contract with Valneva and GSK. Valneva is whole virus. I think GSK targets a sub-unit but possibly not the same as mRNA vaccines. Not sure without re-checking.

So with any luck just when the efficacy of the current vaccines decline, we'll have booster jabs which wont be as badly affected by the ongoing erosion that the current spike targeted vaccines face.

 

[Bluesince1979]

The case fatality must be moving all over the place as vaccine effectiveness, virulence and immunity change.
If you look in the genomics data you can find one new escape mutation has been discovered 73 times in the last 28 days. The potential for future strains is there. That imo is why they want to dampen this down.

Well done for not saying ‘variant’ ! How long has it been now ?

(I jest by the way before you call me a knob… again )

 

[GornikDaze]

would say I am at about 80 percent of my pre Covid self

So you’re back to being a Cun then ;) best wishes for a full recovery WW

 

[Marvin]

Until there’s another variant and then another sorry mate, I’ve observed all the rules, I’ve worked all through it, now it’s time, I’m done. Open the country up but stop foreign travel coming in unless they quarantine if need be.

See my comment about whole virus vaccines. The first wave of vaccines that the UK and US selected were very effective but they are also very focused on a piece of the virus that turned out to be more mutagenic than anticipated.

Well done for not saying ‘variant’ ! How long has it been now ?

(I jest by the way before you call me a knob… again )

This epidemic continues because of variants that is why we are still commenting on this thread. The original Wuhan virus is all but extinct. Even the Kent variant is almost beat in the UK.

 

[Marvin]

Surging in Russia now, particularly Moscow, and their data is always suspiciously flat. Biggest daily increase in reported cases since Feb 15

 

[Franny's toilet roll]

yes at work in a meeting. A foolish one.

were you in good physical shape with no medical issues and a vulnerable age group? as a matter of interest

 

[johnnytapia]

I think he's booked for Timperley by Taxi now. He did try all over the place including the Etihad which would have been a single bus ride. It would have been a nostalgia trip for me on the old 53 route.

We’d achieve herd immunity before the 53 got there.

 

[worsleyweb]

were you in good physical shape with no medical issues and a vulnerable age group? as a matter of interest

no I am fat fuck. Age 45.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

How many are dying of other stuff now though, cancer, suicides etc, if you stopped testing how many would are there actually in hospital with Covid and dying? Anymore than flu in winter ? I’m sorry but Covid will be around forever like flu, we are vaccinating and the vulnerable are all done, we were promised once they were protected we could get on with life, it’s now time to do that. Will people die of Covid in the future, probably but just like other diseases unfortunately that’s a fact of life, enough is enough now.

Findings​

The number of suicides in April-October 2020, after the first lockdown began, was 121•3 per month, compared to 125•7 per month in January-March 2020 (-4%; 95% CI-19% to 13%, p = 0•59). Incidence rate ratios did not show a significant rise in individual months after lockdown began and were not raised during the 2-month lockdown period April-May 2020 (IRR: 1•01 [0•81–1•25]) or the 5-month period after the easing of lockdown, June-October 2020 (0•94 [0•81–1•09]). Comparison of the suicide rates after lockdown began in 2020 for the same months in selected areas in 2019 showed no difference.

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It’ll probably be another 6 months before studies for this early-year’s data come out.

 

[Franny's toilet roll]

no I am fat fuck. Age 45.

Obesity attracts the Covid like no other, hope you recover soon

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

The impact on mental health is far more than statistics on people topping themselves.

How many people are suffering from depression and anxiety now that didn’t used to?

I’m going to guess a shitload.

 

[Franny's toilet roll]

Just waiting for confirmation of lockdown extension. Probably be reported to us by Boris from his G7 summit along with grim faced leaders from around the globe in the background . Hoping for an 'open mic' moment with Boris asking Biden to pass him the Bollinger and another cheese and pineapple stick. - Ursula fancy a dance? we can chat about this Irish bollocks at the same time. Oh and we'll tell them in a couple of weeks that lockdown will continue until the world is vaccinated''

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

yes at work in a meeting. A foolish one.

So not just on here then?

 

[Deleted member 77198]

What happens when that one more month becomes one more month?

Why would it?

We were told back in March that 21st June isn’t a fixed date.

The furore surrounding this news is as if back in March it was said that “21st June is emphatically and absolutely the one date, the only date, that we will open things back up like normal. We won’t listen to the scientists on this and neither should you.”

Where the idea that 21st June was a fixed date has come from is a mystery. It’s a fabricated notion that 21st June was ever a fixed date. At no point has it been said anywhere that 21st June is the date. In fact, we were told in March that 21st June is a flexible date and that it could very well move depending on the situation at that time.

It’s that time, and there’s a case to say that getting up to a larger number of vaccinations is preferable before we allow gigs and sports events to be open and fully attended.

Having one jab doesn’t mean you’ve been vaccinated for those who are using the 60% figure. 44% of the UK have been vaccinated and it takes around 4 weeks after your second jab until the vaccine efficacy gets to its peak. My Mother is 64 and classed as vulnerable (so much so she had to shield for 12 weeks in 2020) yet she only had her second jab a month ago so there’ll be loads of younger vulnerable people who aren’t at their peak for efficacy yet, and there’ll be loads of people who aren’t vulnerable but are unhealthy (we are a VERY unhealthy nation!) who haven’t had a second jab yet… maybe not even a first for younger fat lazy slobs (of which there are hundreds of thousands!) who this virus could have a huge effect on or kill.

Getting that figure pushing upwards before we open up fully while there’s the Delta variant is rising makes total sense. Worrying about it being pushed back again and again is daft. Once we reach that number (whatever it is) that they’d prefer to be at peak immunity following the vaccine, there’s no reason not to open up. Plus you wouldn’t want to wait too long because a wave after opening up will happen and you don’t want that to happen at a time when Autumn/Winter seasonal viruses start to impact the NHS.

Mid-July is ideal to be honest. It balances those scales between vaccine roll-out, being before the Winter, and in time for the Summer holidays and the footy season.