Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Healdplace]

Back to Zoe

South West is closely behind North West and shooting ever up. ON 729 / 935.

In real cases for a tiny populated region which in good times regularly scored 60 - 100 cases a day - it now has MORE cases than the North West and has gone up to near 5000 a day. Though it is mid 3000s now it had more than NW again yesterday,

BUt if NW is rising on Zoe I fear it will too in the actual cases.

Maybe Stockport yesterday was not the exception in GM. Just the harbinger.

Scotland - believe it or not - is still the best on Zoe. At 485 / 749 - though having tripled in 3 weeks.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I can’t see there being any restrictions. The vaccine has turned the virus into one that is comparable with other respiratory illnesses. If anything they may ask the vulnerable to shield until they get boosters or whatever they go with, but the rest of us will just get on with things. The young have sacrificed too much already, unless there is a mutation which is unforeseen then there should be no restrictions even considered again.

Genuine question - what level of death and hospitalisation, say in comparison to the January peak do you think would justify this?

Half as much, the same, twice, more?

Not an attempted gotcha, just trying to understand.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

I can’t see there being any restrictions. The vaccine has turned the virus into one that is comparable with other respiratory illnesses. If anything they may ask the vulnerable to shield until they get boosters or whatever they go with, but the rest of us will just get on with things. The young have sacrificed too much already, unless there is a mutation which is unforeseen then there should be no restrictions even considered again.

Hope your right

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Meanwhile, outside this thread, life goes on virtually as normal.

 

[foetus]

Very good documentary on channel 4 the other night bout whether it started in a lab or not. Some very disturbing info. Turns out the fuckers get hold of viruses that can't affect humans and genetically engineer them so they can. Why they do this, fuck knows but it's scary stuff.

Gain of function research. Yep definitely scary stuff. It’s the potential (not definite) cause of all of this. If so, a serious discussion on the pros/cons of this type of research has to had.

 

[grunge]

For the first time I am starting to wonder if this really was an engineered natural virus as it seems to be well adapted to confounding our plans.

I know it could just be rotten luck and a well honed predator by chance and vast numbers acting as a petri dish in a way the world has yet had to face.

I am very sure it was not deliberately leaked as my best friend still thinks it was however many times I have told her otherwise.

But a break out from a lab of something designed to defy our ingenuity.

Hopefully not as that would make it all but undefeatable. As the ones behind it will have tried if so.

In all honesty I think if this was some sort of "weaponised" virus then its failed, in the grand scheme of things its not a large killer. Its not as bad as Spanish flu was for example. its enough to cause disruption no doubt but this isn't bubonic plague 2.0 or something similar. If it was something made with intent then surely MERS would have been a better choice?

Also once in the "wild" there would be no way to know what the mutated strains would do.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

For the first time I am starting to wonder if this really was an engineered natural virus as it seems to be well adapted to confounding our plans.

I know it could just be rotten luck and a well honed predator by chance and vast numbers acting as a petri dish in a way the world has yet had to face.

I am very sure it was not deliberately leaked as my best friend still thinks it was however many times I have told her otherwise.

But a break out from a lab of something designed to defy our ingenuity.

Hopefully not as that would make it all but undefeatable. As the ones behind it will have tried if so.

The question is - if this is correct - say China is found without doubt to have caused it, maybe intentionally where does that leave the world, do countries sue for damages?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Meanwhile, outside this thread, life goes on virtually as normal.

Well, not for the 100 people dying every day...

Of course, the point is to try and make sure life can continue to go on virtually as normal for most people in the face of what looks like rising cases on a high baseline.

 

[Healdplace]

GM on Zoe App

Bury top on 17, 807

Wigan next on 16, 058

Rochdale on 14, 405

Trafford on 11, 777

Tameside just under 10K on 9854


Pretty much everywhere up a bit today

Bolton 9366,

Stockport 8426,

Oldham 7954,

Salford 7722



Manchester lowest on 7170




Cheshire East closely tracking Stockport still on 7389

Liverpool far over Manchester now (they were tracking for ages) on 12, 849

Fylde coast 11, 182 - quite a bit down from a week ago in the 20Ks



WORST IN NW

St Helens on 25, 513 (had quite a few deaths here lately too).

 

[Healdplace]

In all honesty I think if this was some sort of "weaponised" virus then its failed, in the grand scheme of things its not a large killer. Its not as bad as Spanish flu was for example. its enough to cause disruption no doubt but this isn't bubonic plague 2.0 or something similar. If it was something made with intent then surely MERS would have been a better choice?

Also once in the "wild" there would be no way to know what the mutated strains would do.

I do not think it WAS a weaponised virus for those reasons and others.

What I mean is lab researching viruses and tinkering - maybe even trying to do so beneficially - just got loose by accident.

Nothing beyond that point is in my thinking here.

If this global outbreak had blossomed near Porton Down you can guarantee I would be wondering the same.

Or indeed anywhere they study deadly viruses for all sorts of genuine reasons.

It is the obvious place to eliminate first. Which I know they have to most people's satisfaction.

Not interested in blame as I am certain no intent was involved. I just don't trust coincidences,

 

[grunge]

I read somewhere that most pandemics take 2 years to get sorted out, with this one I'm not sure that will be right.
Personally I think were heading for an Oct / Nov lockdown of some sort or re implementation of some restrictions.
The way the cases are and seeing people's behaviours etc and the schools going back I can only see it going 1 way.
The daily figures we keep reeling off are mind boggling.

Spanish flu was a 3 year cycle. But from doing some reading on it there seems to be a lot of moving parts here to know for sure as we cannot really compare to historical pandemics.

Spanish flu for example had a lot less people to infect, but also had far far slower travel in the grand scheme of things ( less international travel etc ).

This pandemic has spread globally quickly, but has been slowed down a lot by our measures. and lots of countries are still quite early on it is so there is a way to go yet.

From a UK perspective. we're doing OK to be honest. the infection rates are high granted but the hospitalisations are not bad, manageable at the moment and deaths are low in comparisson to what they were.

if you want a silver lining way to think about these high cases, Every new case that is hitting someone who is vaccinated. is just making there immunity stronger. A mate of mine has just got it, double vaxxed and has what he classes as a bad cold. but now he not only has his vaxx protection, he has natural immunity ontop of that. its like an ultimate booster

 

[BLUEMATT23]

Well, not for the 100 people dying every day...

Of course, the point is to try and make sure life can continue to go on virtually as normal for most people in the face of what looks like rising cases on a high baseline.

I get your point - however Covid is currently NINTH on the list of causes of death in the UK.
I realise this is still evolving and as such we are still learning / adapting to what is happening but the govt should not lose site of the other illnesses which does sadly seem to be happening on a big scale.
It's not just about covid but it appears that way.

 

[foetus]

In all honesty I think if this was some sort of "weaponised" virus then its failed, in the grand scheme of things its not a large killer. Its not as bad as Spanish flu was for example. its enough to cause disruption no doubt but this isn't bubonic plague 2.0 or something similar. If it was something made with intent then surely MERS would have been a better choice?

Also once in the "wild" there would be no way to know what the mutated strains would do.

If it was from gain of function research, it’s doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a weaponised virus in the sense of a biological weapon designed by China to fuck over the world. Much more likely that there was research happening on the virus and it has accidentally leaked from the lab, prob from an unknowingly infected worker or dodgy ventilation system. (Apparently Wuhan lab had databases deleted in Sept 2019 and had a new air con/ventilation contract put out in Sept 2019…but thats a can of worms for another time).

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I get your point - however Covid is currently NINTH on the list of causes of death in the UK.
I realise this is still evolving and as such we are still learning / adapting to what is happening but the govt should not lose site of the other illnesses which does sadly seem to be happening on a big scale.
It's not just about covid but it appears that way.

Yeah, I don't think anyone would be so concerned if it were expected to stay at the current rate (though the impact on the NHS even at this rate is substantial). The issue is the potential for rapid growth, as we seem to be seeing at the moment in Scotland.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I read somewhere that most pandemics take 2 years to get sorted out, with this one I'm not sure that will be right.
Personally I think were heading for an Oct / Nov lockdown of some sort or re implementation of some restrictions.
The way the cases are and seeing people's behaviours etc and the schools going back I can only see it going 1 way.
The daily figures we keep reeling off are mind boggling.

I'm more uncertain, but the potential is there, I think.

I'd like a plan published and debated so we're more ready for it if it happens.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

I'm more uncertain, but the potential is there, I think.

I'd like a plan published and debated so we're more ready for it if it happens.

Yes - however I have never believed the daily figures at all, always felt they have been grossly manipulated.
I am not trying to deride the severity of the virus but the stats have never been correct.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

they have been grossly manipulated.

How?

 

[grunge]

I do not think it WAS a weaponised virus for those reasons and others.

What I mean is lab researching viruses and tinkering - maybe even trying to do so beneficially - just got loose by accident.

Nothing beyond that point is in my thinking here.

If this global outbreak had blossomed near Porton Down you can guarantee I would be wondering the same.

Or indeed anywhere they study deadly viruses for all sorts of genuine reasons.

It is the obvious place to eliminate first. Which I know they have to most people's satisfaction.

Not interested in blame as I am certain no intent was involved. I just don't trust coincidences,

Even then, the idea that something is happening to thwart our plans just doesn't really fit for me. even if the 1st gen virus had a gain of function to allow for transmission between humans ( as an example ). there is no way to know how that would be acting now. we are billions of generations down the path for this virus now.

with something so simple biologically there's no way they could know how it would change now.

The Origin side of this does need digging into that's for sure so we can map where it came from. While Wuhan is still ground zero for the pandemic, there are bit of evidence out there that point elsewhere. the sewage samples in Barcalona from 6 months before the outbreak that have Covid in them being a big one. Personally i think thats probably just contamination of the samples but the scientists there strongly suggest its not.

 

[grunge]

If it was from gain of function research, it’s doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a weaponised virus in the sense of a biological weapon designed by China to fuck over the world. Much more likely that there was research happening on the virus and it has accidentally leaked from the lab, prob from an unknowingly infected worker or dodgy ventilation system. (Apparently Wuhan lab had databases deleted in Sept 2019 and had a new air con/ventilation contract put out in Sept 2019…but thats a can of worms for another time).

Im not ruling out that it had come from a lab, until its ruled out its always still an option. As I mentioned above though there are positive samples from Spain that pre date Sept 19.

Those dates also coincide with the US Pandemic alert team leaving the Wuhan lab after Trump killed the funding.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Well, not for the 100 people dying every day...

Of course, the point is to try and make sure life can continue to go on virtually as normal for most people in the face of what looks like rising cases on a high baseline.

at some point, you just have to get back to a real-life baseline where lots of people die every day. This "save everyone" mentality is just harming people's mental health because it's not achievable.