Coronavirus (2021) thread

[grunge]

Same with vaccinating kids, if it barely stops them catching and passing it on, what's the point?

Vaccines still help, less people get the virus, when they do they can be contagious but for less time.

so less people getting it and less spread.

the comms around this have been awful mind you.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Same with vaccinating kids, if it barely stops them catching and passing it on, what's the point?

Well, firstly, even if the 50% figure were right, that means they're half as likely to have it. And 300 deaths are projected if they all get it, which would be near zero if vaccinated. So there's a very strong case.

And the onward transmission data did NOT show there is no benefit, only that one proxy (Ct value for PCR) showed no difference, within considerable error bounds. Other studies have shown transmission benefits.

So at the very worst kids are probably at least 50% less likely to be infectious to others if vaxxed, and probably significantly better than that.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Done two lateral flows this afternoon and both positive. Started feeling a bit ropey last night with a tight chest. Got a PCR test booked for 6:30 but looks like 10 days of isolation for me.

Good luck. I am now on day 8 and still Covid positive. Still very tired but feeling much better after an initial four nights of sweats, headaches, etc etc. I have been up and down but a good radio and Bluemooon has been a Godsend. I have taken lots of asprin, Vit D, Vit C. I am sure you will be fine.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Same with vaccinating kids, if it barely stops them catching and passing it on, what's the point?

Well 50 per cent is still a lot better than nothing and vaccines are still 80/90 per cent effective in stopping serious illness and death. My concern is this will take years to resolve at those rates so what is the long-term strategy?

 

[willipp]

Good luck. I am now on day 8 and still Covid positive. Still very tired but feeling much better after an initial four nights of sweats, headaches, etc etc. I have been up and down but a good radio and Bluemooon has been a Godsend. I have taken lots of asprin, Vit D, Vit C. I am sure you will be fine.

Cheers pal. How long did the worst symptoms take to come through? Only really felt anything for the last 24 hours with a tight chest and now just achy and a bit of a cough. Got a feeling that it’s Saturday’s game where I’ve picked it up.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Cheers pal. How long did the worst symptoms take to come through? Only really felt anything for the last 24 hours with a tight chest and now just achy and a bit of a cough. Got a feeling that it’s Saturday’s game where I’ve picked it up.

I reckon I got infected on the Friday before Spurs away. I felt tired Sunday, Monday, and the sweats started on Tuesday night and ended by Friday am. I had a mild headache and very runny nose for the first three days, then a dry cough. Now i just feel very tired with a bit of a brain fog. I am still testing positive though. Drink lots of water, lemsip or soluble asprin, tea. Keep your head down and keep the radio on as a distraction (not Talksport obviously). I have had lots of soup. I checked my oxygen levels with one of those fingertiip oximeters. You can get online or in a chemist. I am 62 and double jabbed. Get well soon.

 

[willipp]

I reckon I got infected on the Friday before Spurs away. I felt tired Sunday, Monday, and the sweats started on Tuesday night and ended by Friday am. I had a mild headache and very runny nose for the first three days, then a dry cough. Now i just feel very tired with a bit of a brain fog. I am still testing positive though. Drink lots of water, lemsip or soluble asprin, tea. Keep your head down and keep the radio on as a distraction (not Talksport obviously). I have had lots of soup. I checked my oxygen levels with one of those fingertiip oximeters. You can get online or in a chemist. I am 62 and double jabbed. Get well soon.

Thanks. Glad you’re on the mend. I’m 46, double jabbed and relatively healthy so hoping it’s a mild dose. Thanks for the advice.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Done two lateral flows this afternoon and both positive. Started feeling a bit ropey last night with a tight chest. Got a PCR test booked for 6:30 but looks like 10 days of isolation for me.

Did you likely catch it travelling/at the game?

Wonder how many will be in that boat?

Good luck & take care bud.

Edit...just seen you've said you were at the game.

 

[willipp]

Did you likely catch it travelling/at the game?

Wonder how many will be in that boat?

Good luck & take care bud.

I wore a mask on the train but then went in the Waldorf before hand and it’s was rammed in there with no masks. Then was in 115 so I guess it could of been there or on the concourse. First time I’ve really done anything major since coming out of lockdown.

 

[kippax_blueboy]

I wore a mask on the train but then went in the Waldorf before hand and it’s was rammed in there with no masks. Then was in 115 so I guess it could of been there or on the concourse. First time I’ve really done anything major since coming out of lockdown.

Went to Everton, Wembley and Norwich not Spurs. After Norwich I am considering not going now until the case numbers go back down again. The risk of catching Covid is increasing all the time and I think for my own safety avoiding large crowds has to be a good idea. I am double jabbed but I still don't want to catch Covid or pass it on to anyone else.

 

[everythingchangesbutblue]

You would not get public compliance with barely any of your suggestions that's the issue, I understand what you are saying but simply put people would not tolerate points 5 & 6 any longer & why should they?

We were told the vaccines would be the route out, people have endured 3 lockdowns and absolute hell for nearly 2 years, been patient and got the jabs.
Sorry just my opinion.

Of course you would. The overwhelming majority of people always accepted restrictions. Just thick fuckwits like you spreading conspiracy theories that didn't.

 

[everythingchangesbutblue]

I'm sure they have a plan & hopefully it doesn't involve SAGE and Professor Lockdown.

You need banning from this thread you utter moron.

 

[Healdplace]

North West and GM share of the modest rise today.

Week to week UP from 2916 to 3275 today. By 359.

It is also up by 236 on yesterday. Quite a lot by recent numbers in the NW. But not in the overall scheme of things.

However, GM is UP by just 53 only of that 236 day to day - which is actually OK. Below expectation.

Week to week it is similar . GM rises by 145 of that 359 rise which is at worst on par. And actually a little below.


Stockport - to no real surprise - had a better day today - down 41 to 139. Still up from 112 last week though. Gained a chunk back off Trafford in the best Pop Score in GM race today in the usual tit for tat fight there.


Pretty even split of which boroughs share the week to week rise so nobody up big save one possibly. See below.


Bolton on 86 v 100 last week did well

Bury on 71 V 72 last week also still scoring the lowest in GM.


Manchester on 230 - up from 210 last week. But still low and Zoe still has it as the BEST numbers in the county. It is certainly scoring low these days considering it was regularly 400 not that long ago. But not really going lower.

Oldham also just sub 100 on 97 - down from 99 last week.

Rochdale though up to 98 - which looks OK but is V 53 last week

Salford was up a bit today on 152 V 135 last week

Tameside on 128 - but again up V 109 last week

Trafford scores 125 - which is down from 143 last week but third straight increase. And still brings a higher Pop scre than Stockport's 139.

And Wigan second behind Manchester on 158 - with the biggest week to week rise from 106. WN is edging up in the past week a little more than it was.

 

[Healdplace]

Only the South East is ahead of the North West in cases now. It had been around 4th or 5th for a while.

But just as Zoe has shown it climb back up the table in past few days the real cases are doing this now too.

GM still doing relatively well v other areas of the NW like St Helens and the Blackopool coast (though they are falling)

But NW is starting to show a few hints of going the wrong way.

Early dys yet though.

In truth North East excepted EVERY area in England is between 2064 of East and 3462 of South East with all the others bar North West (3275) in the 2000s.

Yorkshire has dropped a lot lately and is on 2736.

London has dropped a lot in past 2 weeks from over 4000 to 2782.

The two Midlands areas are East (2230) and West (2494) - so combined as the health data still does - easily the biggest region.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Schools and Unis reopen soon and that is going to prompt a steep rise in cases. Restrictions will follow.

Bet they don't

 

[splinter]

Bet they don't

The leader of the SNP already talking about restrictions

 

[Healdplace]

ENGLAND HOSPITAL DATA

Mixed Bag today,

ADMISSIONS:

Good news as these (Sunday) were 726 - little changed from 719 last week.

Regional admissions:

LONDON was 89 last week V 134 this

MIDLANDS was 144 last wk V 135 this

NE & YORKS was 158 laat wk V 146 this


AND

NORTH WEST was 119 last wk V 125 this

So whilst NW is lowest of the four still has more admitted in this week v last.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Thanks.

so maybe 500 daily deaths is your benchmark.

That's just two doublings from where we are now. Cases in Scotland doubled in just the last week. So, given return of schools etc, it's far from inconceivable your scenario does indeed pan out, and fast. So we should be prepared for it.

As to what I would suggest - well, I'm no expert in this, but I think we should prioritise things which are low impact. For instance

1. Vaccinate adolescents.
2. Major vaccine drive to get the adult unprotected covered as far as possible. Vaccine passports as per France might be an option.

(both of these regardless of cases)
If cases rise towards levels we expect to give problematic deaths and hospitalisations, then low impact restrictions such as:

3. Masks in crowded indoor settings (public transport etc)
4. Support people to isolate if positive, expand testing
5. Reimpose home working unless imperative to be at work

And if that doesn't work,

5. Limit mass gatherings (sorry blues, religious types)
6. Hospitality limitations (table service and whatnot)

Schools would be my last resort.

You might have a different list, in a different order, but increasing immunity, decreasing aerosols and limiting interactions is where we'll be at.

It might be, as we seem to have seen at "Freedom day" that when people are concerned about the virus, they self limit their behaviour. But just crossing our fingers and hoping doesn't seem like a good plan to me.

i dont see how we can get to 500 deaths a day, but im also staggered that we are now averaging over a hundred. We were lead to believe the vaccines were the way out of this.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

Of course you would. The overwhelming majority of people always accepted restrictions. Just thick fuckwits like you spreading conspiracy theories that didn't.

I complied with everything and am fully vaccinated but of course you know more about me than I do.
And no need to be aggressive and rude towards me.

 

[BlueAnorak]

The leader of the SNP already talking about restrictions

Good for Scotland.
For every case, hospitalisation and death now there will be 10x that number by the end of November if restrictions are brought in.
Compare and contrast with other bronchial infections including flu. Best to surge now than then. Less likely to develop Pnumonia etc.