Coronavirus (2021) thread

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We have been protecting the NHS in winter for years now and long before covid came along.

A grown up discussion is urgently needed now re how we fund/run the NHS because doomsday scenarios and restrictions/lockdowns is not the answer.
Whilst this is definitely in need of discussion, it’s not exclusively an NHS problem.

Healthcare systems across Europe are struggling.

Covid has hit them harder than anything they’ve faced in a long time, if at all.
 
You apply your model to previous epidemics.
If your modelling is any good you actual cases get closer to the median prediction for each successive wave.
Your upper quartile represents the outcome under which are 75% of your model's predicted outcomes occur and the lower quartile represents the outcome under which 25% of your model's predicted outcomes fall.
I can see the need for a worst case outcome (say 95%) but all of these outcomes should be in your model.
Only modelling the worst case is a grand folly as it indicates the model is an exercise in crying wolf - so it is ignored by many. But as the story goes the boy who cried wolf can be right very occasionally.

I seem to recall our initial modelling was based on the virus acting like the flu which we had data on, then we discovered it didn’t act like the flu because it wasn’t the flu and scrapped it.

With any unknown pathogen and a lack of hard data, I think the hardest thing people struggle with is the fact we are not in control and modelling is an attempt to take back control and quantify the risk. That modelling can often fall short or be overtaken by events or even be just plain bollocks is something we find difficult to accept.

Hence conspiracy theories, religion and all other manner of crazy looking for ‘the truth’, I guess.

I’m in a philosophical mood :)
 
Which could be proven correct or incorrect.

I think it’s potentially dangerous that people are beginning to believe they are now immune to Covid.
The CFR of covid, let alone omicron when triple jabbed and young and fit is considerably lower than a bout of influenza would be and I’m not eligible for the flu jab every winter. I don’t live in fear of that influenza either.

I shall continue to get whatever jab I’m told I need to have but I am well past being afraid of covid or any of its current variants.
 
Which could be proven correct or incorrect.

I think it’s potentially dangerous that people are beginning to believe they are now immune to Covid.

I don’t for one second believe I’m immune after my 3 jabs but I’m happy to think that even infected, it’s going to be a mild illness because the stats tells me that’s the likely scenario. Could it kill me? Of course it could but I’m not going to live my life worrying when it’s so unlikely.
 
Whilst this is definitely in need of discussion, it’s not exclusively an NHS problem.

Healthcare systems across Europe are struggling.

Covid has hit them harder than anything they’ve faced in a long time, if at all.

It’s our NHS and social care that has to be looked at.

Years of austerity has left us where we are but instead of a political fix, it’s now seemingly the publics job to find the fix and by that they mean restrictions and lockdown.

It’s ridiculous, it won’t wash.
 
The CFR of covid, let alone omicron when triple jabbed and young and fit is considerably lower than a bout of influenza would be and I’m not eligible for the flu jab every winter. I don’t live in fear of that influenza either.

I shall continue to get whatever jab I’m told I need to have but I am well past being afraid of covid or any of its current variants.
Me too. It’s still prudent to be cautious in my opinion.

I do look after my 94 year old gran too.
 
I don’t for one second believe I’m immune after my 3 jabs but I’m happy to think that even infected, it’s going to be a mild illness because the stats tells me that’s the likely scenario. Could it kill me? Of course it could but I’m not going to live my life worrying when it’s so unlikely.
But you won’t be actively seeking to get it, and no doubt trying your best not to.
 
Ha, couldn’t make it up.

I‘d had a couple of sneezes and ever so slightly snotty, both kids have had a cold so assumed it was that, feel right as rain and strong as an ox.

Know I’m due to see my mum and in-laws this week so to shut the missus up I thought I’d best do a test, 100% confident I don’t have omicron.

Yep, you guessed it, positive.

Ah well, c’est la vie.
 
But you won’t be actively seeking to get it, and no doubt trying your best not to.

Absolutely not but that’s not how life and viruses work. They are not visible, you can get them anywhere and anytime and I’m not sat in boozers but I am in work for 50 hours a week and have been right through the pandemic. I have most probably had it and didn’t even know as was asymptomatic, who knows?

All I do know is life goes on, it has too.
 
The report was in September and about October and they called for a lockdown or there would be 200k per positives per day (of delta).

We took no measures. Your enboldened post above is a pure fiction and bears no relation to the facts in hand.

No, it was slightly tongue in cheek. But summer months and good ventilation are mitigating factors for an airborne virus and in the past two summers we relaxed restrictions - we even had eat out for a tenner.

People also adapted their behaviour, something that has been touched on before. Society will adapt to Covid, as society adapts to all changes irrespective of whether the Govt issues restrictions. There have been a slew of cancellations for meals/ parties over the Christmas period. People took these decisions not because the Govt made them do so, but in reaction to a new variant. We know that it may be relatively benign, but people still acted with caution and that caution will act as mitigating factor on the spread.
 
Ha, couldn’t make it up.

I‘d had a couple of sneezes and ever so slightly snotty, both kids have had a cold so assumed it was that, feel right as rain and strong as an ox.

Know I’m due to see my mum and in-laws this week so to shut the missus up I thought I’d best do a test, 100% confident I don’t have omicron.

Yep, you guessed it, positive.

Ah well, c’est la vie.

Get well soon mate.
 
One thing is for sure, and of course I’m not saying it’s same for everyone, but if this is what having 3 jabs and previous bout of delta does for me when I get omicron then I’m living proof that it appears to be far less severe.

With delta I wasn’t particularly poorly but I lost taste and smell for 10 days, had a proper cold and blocked nose, and earache/tinnitus.

Now, absolutely bugger all, can’t believe I’m actually positive.
 
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I seem to recall our initial modelling was based on the virus acting like the flu which we had data on, then we discovered it didn’t act like the flu because it wasn’t the flu and scrapped it.

With any unknown pathogen and a lack of hard data, I think the hardest thing people struggle with is the fact we are not in control and modelling is an attempt to take back control and quantify the risk. That modelling can often fall short or be overtaken by events or even be just plain bollocks is something we find difficult to accept.

Hence conspiracy theories, religion and all other manner of crazy looking for ‘the truth’, I guess.

I’m in a philosophical mood :)
There is plenty of hard data available from South Africa and every day more in the UK.
 
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