Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Tim of the Oak]

Covid: Thousands needed hospital treatment after lockdown DIY

Among those admitted to hospital were eight people aged over 90 who fell from playground equipment.

www.bbc.co.uk

Love this bit:
But numerous incidents, including eight people over the age of 90 who needed hospital treatment after falling from playground equipment, were recorded.

I think that happened at the Cool Cats reunion party lol

 

[hammocity]

What are they then (excluding the tiny tiny minority that can’t have the vaccine due to medical reasons)?

It’s very tiny as you say, I know a girl in her 50’s, very severe illness, in a wheelchair now, has to be fed from a tube direct to her stomach, hardly any immunity. At the beginning of the pandemic she was advised to isolate, vaccine came and told not to have it because of her condition. She’s now had three jabs and is out and about again, very poorly girl but trying to live her life, ante vaxers can fuck right off, live a day in Diane’s shoes you cunts.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

Because the more cases there are in one day, the more people that go to hospital in a short period, when the hospitals are already full and short staffed.
Better to have 2 million with it over 3 weeks than a few days, simply because it it gives people a chance to enter and leave hospital over a period than all at once as stays are shorter it seems. Seems very simple to me.
Just going for it is a gamble might be alright, then again it might not, doesn’t seem a gamble worth taking to me, maybe ask the hospitals themselves, for the sake of a few weeks of fairly minuscule restrictions.

but 85% of these hospitalisations are unvaxxed and there's only 2 million of these idiots out there so your argument doesn't hold up. The better option is to not bother protecting these 2 million (only 3% of the pop) and just get on with things. It's not a gamble by the way it's calculated and measured

 

[hammocity]

My local A&E said on Friday that it was essentially fucked and not to go there this weekend

With virtually everyone being exposed to Omicron I think we should just crack on, no isolation, keep everything open including hospitals. If a doctor or nurse has this variant but no symptoms what’s the point? Their care, expertise and knowledge will save more lives than they will cost.

 

[Ric]

Did a positive LFT last night so off to the Etihad for my PCR this morning. Not feeling particularly unwell, hoping it was a false positive but that’s probably optimistic.

 

[hammocity]

That’s very cathartic pal, love it.

 

[blueinsa]

Did a positive LFT last night so off to the Etihad for my PCR this morning. Not feeling particularly unwell, hoping it was a false positive but that’s probably optimistic.

I feel unwell this morning with a sore throat and a bit of a lack of taste feeling but have done a negative LFT. It’s such a strange illness this at times.

 

[hammocity]

It is binary choice.

You/One can either be part of society and take the vaccine or you can be a poorly educated (not thick as you note) selfish fucker and not bother.

As 90% needing oxygen right not aren’t vax’d then I guess I’m happy either way. I just wish they’d gasp for air at home rather than adding to the strain on the health service.

Where I live over 94% are double vaccinated (and that number are expected to also get the booster now they’ve started doing them), apparently education levels are far higher in the Far East. Or maybe people are less selfish. Who knows.

Definitely better educated but more socially aware in the Far East, the Japanese fans taking their rubbish home with them during World Cup games is a great example. Could be tricky at Old Trafford, imagine taking Maguire Pogba, Fernandes and all the other shite out of the stadium, would need a huge bin.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Mr Hopson says that although hospitalisations in London are still up 70% over the past seven days, the growth rate in the capital has "dropped significantly" in the past few days.

He adds that "if – a very big if – this much lower growth rate (of around 1 or 2%) continues over the next few days" there is "growing optimism" London "should be able to cope this week".

 

[Gabriel]

Covid: Thousands needed hospital treatment after lockdown DIY

Among those admitted to hospital were eight people aged over 90 who fell from playground equipment.

www.bbc.co.uk

Love this bit:
But numerous incidents, including eight people over the age of 90 who needed hospital treatment after falling from playground equipment, were recorded.

It's full of other wonderfully phrased examples that set the imagination flying:

'more than 5,600 amateur builders required hospital attention after coming into contact with an electric hand tool.'

'and 349 were admitted to hospital after tussles with a lawnmower.'

 

[blueparrot]

but 85% of these hospitalisations are unvaxxed and there's only 2 million of these idiots out there so your argument doesn't hold up. The better option is to not bother protecting these 2 million (only 3% of the pop) and just get on with things. It's not a gamble by the way it's calculated and measured

So what. It makes not the slightest difference on the ground whether those in hospital are vaccinated or not, they are still taking up hospital space wards and staff, unless you are one of those arguing don’t treat the unvaccinated let them die lot. Well that’s not happening, not ever, so thats a pointless smoke screen of argument.
If it isn’t a gamble, which it obviously is unless you have detailed staffing and bed capacity data of every hospital and accurate models of how fast it would spread with no restriction,and if it’s calculated and measured which government and country is following this calculated and measured path.

 

[inbetween]

Couldn’t agree more. I don’t get why people still smoke, take drugs, don’t get their kids vaccinated against measles, drive drunk, eat shit food all the time, give themselves diabetes and a myriad of other things but telling them they’re loonies who don’t know what they’re doing probably isn’t the right way to go.
I seem to remember the establishment tried that with a referendum in 2016 and that didn’t end as the establishment presumed!

I do wonder whether Gove ever reflects on his “I think the people of this country have had enough of experts with organisations with acronyms saying that they know what is best and getting it consistently wrong?” Especially as he does seem to be the chief agitator to bring in more restrictions based on experts with acronyms!

The government has no idea what it is doing and never has in any of this, they are fighting this on a daily basis and don't look beyond the next couple of days. The people who are advising them like Chris Whitty only think in terms of COVID health policy so they naturally will always lean towards being more cautious in the short term.

SAGE is composed of exceptional people but we have no transparency as to how the group functions. We don't know if a selection of certain individuals turn up, say their piece and that is gospel, we just don't know.

You can read about how many people are part of SAGE and with the type of people in there I can't imagine that anything has ever been unanimous. Certainly there will be more to it in terms of internal power struggles and politics but then I seriously doubt they'd ever come to an agreement if certain people didn't wield more power than others.

Essentially then though the only moderate voice IS the government and we all know how much we can trust them. Labour have not been an opposition and have not considered anything but a default argument of being very cautious no matter what.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

So what. It makes not the slightest difference on the ground whether those in hospital are vaccinated or not, they are still taking up hospital space wards and staff, unless you are one of those arguing don’t treat the unvaccinated let them die lot. Well that’s not happening, not ever, so thats a pointless smoke screen of argument.
If it isn’t a gamble, which it obviously is unless you have detailed staffing and bed capacity data of every hospital and accurate models of how fast it would spread with no restriction,and if it’s calculated and measured which government and country is following this calculated and measured path.

I do have detailed staffing and bed capacity numbers, it's open source data. I build my own models as that's my job.
It makes a massive difference once it rips through this 2 million unvaccinated they'll be an 85% drop in hospitalisations this can be done over 3 months with no isolation or restrictions. Remember back at the start of this pandemic the government was chasing herd immunity with a far more dangerous virus and no immunity in the public. We now have a far less dangerous virus and a large amount of immunity in the public the time to chase herd immunity is now. Incidentally only 30,000 will die doing the above, most unvaxxed but the point is normality can be achieved with minimal loss of life

 

[True_Blue69]

Couldn’t agree more. I don’t get why people still smoke, take drugs, don’t get their kids vaccinated against measles, drive drunk, eat shit food all the time, give themselves diabetes and a myriad of other things but telling them they’re loonies who don’t know what they’re doing probably isn’t the right way to go.
I seem to remember the establishment tried that with a referendum in 2016 and that didn’t end as the establishment presumed!

I do wonder whether Gove ever reflects on his “I think the people of this country have had enough of experts with organisations with acronyms saying that they know what is best and getting it consistently wrong?” Especially as he does seem to be the chief agitator to bring in more restrictions based on experts with acronyms!

I assume from your glaring omission from your list of things you can’t believe people do that damage their health that you like a drink? Alcohol is as damaging as any of the things you mentioned.

 

[N1985]

I feel unwell this morning with a sore throat and a bit of a lack of taste feeling but have done a negative LFT. It’s such a strange illness this at times.

Daughter has woken up exactly the same. Negative LFT so unsure whether to try and get her a PCR or see how she goes. Strange is a great description of it

 

[inbetween]

I do have detailed staffing and bed capacity numbers, it's open source data. I build my own models as that's my job.
It makes a massive difference once it rips through this 2 million unvaccinated they'll be an 85% drop in hospitalisations this can be done over 3 months with no isolation or restrictions. Remember back at the start of this pandemic the government was chasing herd immunity with a far more dangerous virus and no immunity in the public. We now have a far less dangerous virus and a large amount of immunity in the public the time to chase herd immunity is now. Incidentally only 30,000 will die doing the above, most unvaxxed but the point is normality can be achieved with minimal loss of life

We still talk of the unvaccinated but there's two groups there as there's a difference between unvaccinated and immune naive (never previously infected). I would of thought now that the amount of people that are both unvaccinated and never infected is very small. It's people in this group that are most at risk of hospitalisation even with Omicron.

We already know that a mixture of double vax and previous infection provides the most superior protection. This is why I believe we have already achieved a level of herd immunity in the vaccinated population and it's why Omicron is appearing milder for those people. The only reason we're seeing infections in these people is the vaccines have not been tweaked for the mutated Omicron, however the majority of the protein spike is recognised and easily dealt with.

The problem at this stage is indeed everyone who isn't vaccinated but specifically those who've never been vaccinated and have never had COVID. I would expect the prevalence of Omicron to change that and it's perhaps why hospitalisations are now spiking but they should fall just as quickly within the coming weeks.

 

[blueparrot]

I do have detailed staffing and bed capacity numbers, it's open source data. I build my own models as that's my job.
It makes a massive difference once it rips through this 2 million unvaccinated they'll be an 85% drop in hospitalisations this can be done over 3 months with no isolation or restrictions. Remember back at the start of this pandemic the government was chasing herd immunity with a far more dangerous virus and no immunity in the public. We now have a far less dangerous virus and a large amount of immunity in the public the time to chase herd immunity is now. Incidentally only 30,000 will die doing the above, most unvaxxed but the point is normality can be achieved with minimal loss of life

Well I ‘d prefer to reduce the 30, 000. The deaths aren’t my point though, only hospital beds. I also think this with the restrictions we now have, we will be through this in much less than 3 months anyway. The only difference is your tap is full on ,mine is at 80/90 % . I don’t think mine will overflow into the kitchen, I think yours would.We obviously aren’t going to convince each other
I guess we’ll never know because not even Boris, nevermind any other government seems to be for trying turning the tap full on.
I’m optimistic this will be a good year from Feb / March onwards and a month of a few minimal restrictions I okay with.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

We still talk of the unvaccinated but there's two groups there as there's a difference between unvaccinated and immune naive (never previously infected). I would of thought now that the amount of people that are both unvaccinated and never infected is very small. It's people in this group that are most at risk of hospitalisation even with Omicron.

We already know that a mixture of double vax and previous infection provides the most superior protection. This is why I believe we have already achieved a level of herd immunity in the vaccinated population and it's why Omicron is appearing milder for those people. The only reason we're seeing infections in these people is the vaccines have not been tweaked for the mutated Omicron, however the majority of the protein spike is recognised and easily dealt with.

The problem at this stage is indeed everyone who isn't vaccinated but specifically those who've never been vaccinated and have never had COVID. I would expect the prevalence of Omicron to change that and it's perhaps why hospitalisations are now spiking but they should fall just as quickly within the coming weeks.

that is correct. It's an unknown number unfortunately and would reduce that 30k deaths by quite a lot I suspect

 

[mcfc_ms]

Some absolute disgraceful people around. Just read that people are selling the lateral flow tests on eBay, I didn’t believe it so checked myself and there are actually people selling them

 

[inbetween]

that is correct. It's an unknown number unfortunately and would reduce that 30k deaths by quite a lot I suspect

It depends on what the population demographic is I suppose but so far I think we can begin to relax a little moving into mid January providing hospital capacity holds out.

What we're really seeing with hospitalisations is the younger and unvaccinated are still facing moderate illness. However, generally they may be hospitalised but recover quickly in the absence of the usual health complications seen in the elderly which has traditionally led towards a higher risk of death.

This only points to me that Omicron is actually not that mild and is still going to be a problem for some. The main differentiating factor is still to get vaccinated no matter how young or fit you may think you are.