Coronavirus (2022) thread

[jaseirai]

That’s also not remotely true.

This is the article I think. It refers to excess deaths.

Sweden’s Covid death rate among lowest in Europe, despite avoiding strict lockdowns

New WHO figures show pandemic wrought ‘staggering toll’ of almost 15m fatalities, but harsh restrictions were not the key to beating virus

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[roubaixtuesday]

This is the article I think. It refers to excess deaths.

Sweden’s Covid death rate among lowest in Europe, despite avoiding strict lockdowns

New WHO figures show pandemic wrought ‘staggering toll’ of almost 15m fatalities, but harsh restrictions were not the key to beating virus

www.telegraph.co.uk

The telegraph is behind a paywall, and it's columnists feature downright misinformation peddling (Allison Pearson notably)

Got a link to the who source?

 

[Manc in London]

I did the Youguv questions yesterday, it's only a point in time but 49% said they'd never had Covid.

That doesn't appear to be representative.

Have you got a link to the report? I'd be interested in having a look.

 

[KS55]

That’s also not remotely true.

That’s per WHO

 

[KS55]

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Source for that?

Every measure I've ever seen shows Sweden much worse than other nordics

See WHO REPORT

 

[roubaixtuesday]

See WHO REPORT

There are many who reports...

 

[KS55]

There are many who reports...

Yes, perhaps that’s the problem. Too many sources, methods etc.
(I have a new IPad,and haven’t worked out how to post a link yet. You would think it obvious, but it isn’t.)

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Yes, perhaps that’s the problem. Too many sources, methods etc.
(I have a new IPad,and haven’t worked out how to post a link yet. You would think it obvious, but it isn’t.)

There's an article in the Graun today

Sweden? Japan? UK? Debates over who had a ‘good’ Covid won’t end | Francois Balloux

The WHO has spoken but even its huge new report will not settle arguments about pandemic strategies

www.theguardian.com

That contradicts the "Sweden is best in Europe" line in the Telegraph:

An estimated 109 excess deaths per 100,000 people places it at 56th in the global ranking of “best performing” countries, and middle of the table relative to the European Union, coming 15th out of the 27 EU member states.

Which sounds similar to the ourworld in data extract posted upthread - worse than other Nordics, but better than EU average.

It also seems that the methodology used may mislead some countries baselines, notably Germany - this from JB Murdoch.



I don't think this much changes the overall understanding.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Meant to add, here's the WHO report, doesn't allow single country comparisons, at least not without downloading and doing your own.

Global excess deaths associated with COVID-19, January 2020 - December 2021

A comprehensive view of global deaths directly and indirectly associated with the COVID-19 pandemic with trends for regions and income groups.

www.who.int

 

[KS55]

There's an article in the Graun today

Sweden? Japan? UK? Debates over who had a ‘good’ Covid won’t end | Francois Balloux

The WHO has spoken but even its huge new report will not settle arguments about pandemic strategies

www.theguardian.com

That contradicts the "Sweden is best in Europe" line in the Telegraph:

An estimated 109 excess deaths per 100,000 people places it at 56th in the global ranking of “best performing” countries, and middle of the table relative to the European Union, coming 15th out of the 27 EU member states.

Which sounds similar to the ourworld in data extract posted upthread - worse than other Nordics, but better than EU average.

It also seems that the methodology used may mislead some countries baselines, notably Germany - this from JB Murdoch.



I don't think this much changes the overall understanding.

Thanks for that.