Coronavirus (2022) thread

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Got to say I'm surprised the number of deaths aren't 250+ higher. Perhaps the new anti Covid drugs are having an effect.
I think this is on track with my own expectations when we started to understand Omicron and is around one eighth of the peak this time last year. Well in line with the vaccine effectiveness data.

The vaccines are the major reason. But the way in which Omicron does not get into the lungs as easily as Delta is also a key to the difference. The visibly stunning way in which numbers on ventilators have fallen rapidly over the past month in mid winter when you would expect them to rise - close to soon halving in 5 or 6 weeks since Omicron took over - is very good evidence of that key difference that makes it less dangerous and is critical to why this wave is less threatening than all worst fears.

The new drugs you mention will be adding to the success as well, hopefully. Science has proved itself in the last two years several times over.

Everything else is little changed There are still far more people over 60 dying than under 60. Though there are not zero even under the age of 20 in most weeks. Just happily usually single figure numbers. The age distribution of death has barely altered in the past 2 years.

So the over 80s were and always will be the ones with most other problems that Covid can trigger but if you avoid needing icu ventilation even then your chances escalate. And these are the people now not succumbing who with a different variant - even in our vaccinated nation - possibly would more often have done.

And the raw stats that there are thousands testing positive under the age of 10 - where happily this disease is not irrelevant but rarely serious - and just a few hundred aged over 70 - each week.

The most noticeable thing about the ones over the age of 40 in hospital now seems to be the rising percentage of those unvaccinated by the accounts of medics. Though by statistics there will always be more vaccinated ones as they far outnumber the rest. Happily these hold outs are in the minority of the population now but enough to top up the risk of serious cases and deaths sadly.

Plus natural antibodies after two years of people catching it - increasingly more than once - is a rising factor too as we go along.

So as the pandemic has progressed we are just in a much better place than we were this time last year when many of these things were yet to happen.

Does not mean another bad variant might not emerge from the largely unvaccinated regions of the world. Very likely it could until we stop talking about vaccinating the planet and go do it ASAP. We might get away with it and the next one cannot out compete Omicron or to do so also trade off level of risk. We could get lucky. Or not.

But as with most pandemics the general trend is to progress towards a liveable with version that suits both virus and humanity. Most - though - means it does not always work out like that as this is not a divine plan and largely trial and error of nature - which is why it is a trend not a rule.

So we are not without risk but we are in a clearly better place than we were and are allowed now to be hopeful but also have to temper that with not being complacent AND see why it really matters to vaccinate the world - which we are still only jabbering a lot about doing and not actually jabbing a lot.

These are purely my views and I am not an expert in any way on these things so very happy to be corrected by those more knowledgeable on the science.
 
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I think this is on track with my own expectations when we started to understand Omicron and is around one eighth of the peak this time last year. Well in line with the vaccine effectiveness data.

The vaccines are the major reason. But the way in which Omicron does not get into the lungs as easily as Delta is also a key to the difference. The visibly stunning way in which numbers on ventilators have fallen rapidly over the past month in mid winter when you would expect them to rise - close to soon halving in 5 or 6 weeks since Omicron took over - is very good evidence of that key difference that makes it less dangerous and is critical to why this wave is less threatening than all worst fears.

The new drugs you mention will be adding to the success as well, hopefully. Science has proved itself in the last two years several times over.

Everything else is little changed There are still far more people over 60 dying than under 60. Though there are not zero even under the age of 20 in most weeks. Just happily usually single figure numbers. The age distribution of death has barely altered in the past 2 years.

So the over 80s were and always will be the ones with most other problems that Covid can trigger but if you avoid needing icu ventilation even then your chances escalate. And these are the people now not succumbing who with a different variant - even in our vaccinated nation - possibly would more often have done.

And the raw stats that there are thousands testing positive under the age of 10 - where happily this disease is not irrelevant but rarely serious - and just a few hundred aged over 70 - each week.

The most noticeable thing about the ones over the age of 40 in hospital now seems to be the rising percentage of those unvaccinated by the accounts of medics. Though by statistics there will always be more vaccinated ones as they far outnumber the rest. Happily these hold outs are in the minority of the population now but enough to top up the risk of serious cases and deaths sadly.

Plus natural antibodies after two years of people catching it - increasingly more than once - is a rising factor too as we go along.

So as the pandemic has progressed we are just in a much better place than we were this time last year when many of these things were yet to happen.

Does not mean another bad variant might not emerge from the largely unvaccinated regions of the world. Very likely it could until we stop talking about vaccinating the planet and go do it ASAP. We might get away with it and the next one cannot out compete Omicron or to do so also trade off level of risk. We could get lucky. Or not.

But as with most pandemics the general trend is to progress towards a liveable with version that suits both virus and humanity. Most - though - means it does not always work out like that as this is not a divine plan and largely trial and error of nature - which is why it is a trend not a rule.

So we are not without risk but we are in a clearly better place than we were and are allowed now to be hopeful but also have to temper that with not being complacent AND see why it really matters to vaccinate the world - which we are still only jabbering a lot about doing and not actually jabbing a lot.

These are purely my views and I am not an expert in any way on these things so very happy to be corrected by those more knowledgeable on the science.
Great Post.
For me, the shear volume of people who have caught it and the large % of people being admitted to hospital for somthing else then testing positive should have led to a larger number of deaths - even though Omicron is much less severe.
That said I'm delighted the numbers haven't increased as much as I expected them to.
Overall the numbers are about half that at this point in a normal flu year which is really good news.
 
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It is time to learn to live with COVID like we live with flu. That's a line often repeated by people who want all the measures imposed during the pandemic removed once and for all.

But is COVID really like flu at this stage? We've taken a look at hospital admission rates for the two viruses - comparing current coronavirus admissions with those from when flu was most prevalent in 2017-18
 
Overall the numbers are about half that at this point in a normal flu year which is really good news

You sure about that?

We're running at 2,000 deaths a week at the moment.

I don't think 4,000 deaths a week is remotely average for flu?
 
I had COVID from 23rd Dec and wasn't too bad.
Unfortunately since contracting the virus I have, what the doctor thinks, a chest infection and am currently on my 3rd set of antibiotics.
I'm sick of coughing and have to sleep in an upright position otherwise I end up have coughing fits.
I've also tried over the counter cough syrups, steamed, olbas oil etc etc but the bloody thing just won't budge.
Has anybody had any home remedies that actually relieve the irritation?
 
I had COVID from 23rd Dec and wasn't too bad.
Unfortunately since contracting the virus I have, what the doctor thinks, a chest infection and am currently on my 3rd set of antibiotics.
I'm sick of coughing and have to sleep in an upright position otherwise I end up have coughing fits.
I've also tried over the counter cough syrups, steamed, olbas oil etc etc but the bloody thing just won't budge.
Has anybody had any home remedies that actually relieve the irritation?
The cough can go on for months , a whole year of antibiotics, steroids and inhalers for me , it goes in its own sweet time unfortunately , sounds like you have tried everything , it is not easy to stop, maybe ask about steroids and inhalers
 
I had COVID from 23rd Dec and wasn't too bad.
Unfortunately since contracting the virus I have, what the doctor thinks, a chest infection and am currently on my 3rd set of antibiotics.
I'm sick of coughing and have to sleep in an upright position otherwise I end up have coughing fits.
I've also tried over the counter cough syrups, steamed, olbas oil etc etc but the bloody thing just won't budge.
Has anybody had any home remedies that actually relieve the irritation?

Vic on your chest and back eat healthy no dairy products honey Lemon ginger.
 
338 all settings deaths - up from 330 last week

England only 302 - up from 280 last week

96,871 cases (down 5421 on yesterday & 10,493 on last week's 107,364)

85,288 in England (down 5299 on yesterday & 10,686 on last week's 95,974)
 
England hospital news is good again.

Full details of this and other numbers on the data thread later for anyone interested but key numbers here:

Admisions (Tuesday) 1681 - was 1794 last week North West 244 V 285 last week

Patients (Today) 13,651 - down 297 on yesterday - was 15,302 last Thursday. after a fall of 440 that day.

North West down 70 to 2476

Ventilated patients 481 - down 12 on the day - was 573 last Thurday & 666 the Thursday before & 762 the Thursday before that. (37% drop in patients on ventilators in three weeks)

North West down 1 on 62
 
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COVID-19 vaccine boosters increase protection against death from the Omicron variant to 95% in people aged 50 and over, according to the UK Health Security Agency.

About six months after a second dose of any of the COVID vaccines was administered, protection against death with the dominant variant is around 60% in that age group.


But the UKHSA said that the figure rises to around 95% two weeks after a person has a booster dose.
 
COVID-19 vaccine boosters increase protection against death from the Omicron variant to 95% in people aged 50 and over, according to the UK Health Security Agency.

About six months after a second dose of any of the COVID vaccines was administered, protection against death with the dominant variant is around 60% in that age group.


But the UKHSA said that the figure rises to around 95% two weeks after a person has a booster dose.

Surprised to see effectiveness vs death as low as 60% unboosted. The figure from the vaccine effectiveness weekly report here:


They probably shouldn't quote an unboosted figure at all TBH as the confidence interval on that ~60% is huuuuuge : 4-82% (!) ie could be anything.

Presumably because virtually nobody is dying vaccinated. Screenshot_20220127-180435_Drive.jpg
 
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It is time to learn to live with COVID like we live with flu. That's a line often repeated by people who want all the measures imposed during the pandemic removed once and for all.

But is COVID really like flu at this stage? We've taken a look at hospital admission rates for the two viruses - comparing current coronavirus admissions with those from when flu was most prevalent in 2017-18
Ah but only 36% are actually being treated "for" Covid now (in areas where Covid cases are declining) and Covid deaths are currently just less per week than a normal flu year and over Q1 of 2022 will be around half of a normal flu year.
 
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remember when schools were not vectors of disease and it was ok to reopen them because spread was rare?

Last year: weren’t vectors 5th January. (Cue sound of pedals going very much in the backward direction). Next day: are vectors, shut the schools!
 
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It is time to learn to live with COVID like we live with flu. That's a line often repeated by people who want all the measures imposed during the pandemic removed once and for all.

But is COVID really like flu at this stage? We've taken a look at hospital admission rates for the two viruses - comparing current coronavirus admissions with those from when flu was most prevalent in 2017-18

Thank god covid is nowhere near as deadly is flu is all I take from that.
 
I’ve basically avoided a lot of the covid malarkey since Christmas, for my own mental health. Being glued to the second by second updates is good for nobody unless you’re a government scientist.

Only just figured out that today is the day masks have officially been sacked off.

Is it scientifically definitive that Omicron is milder than delta then?
 

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