Corruption in English football?

In some ways it would be more surprising if there was no corruption, than if there was, as individuals in every walk of life have been susceptible to leaving their morals at the door for financial gain.

Is it widespread and there is a guiding hand at the top (Scudamore as an example) Im less likely to believe that in relation to match fixing etc.
 
Some blue moon posters (BMP) ...
BMP 'how can it be bent, show me the evidence'
Me. Ergh how about Blatter andPlatini?
BMP Nah that's Europe show me evidence that the premier league is bent.
Me OK how about Klopp, backed up by many media pundits saying refs favour the rags especially regarding penalties.
BMP Give over that's a rival manager why hasn't a referee said anything.
Me Clattenburg has just admitted refs favour the rags
BMP Yeh but he's an ex ref show.....
Me, oh just fuck off go and play with the fairies at the bottom of your gsrden
 
Ok so I emailed Martin Samuel - will let you know if he replies:

"Dear Martin

I wanted to flag some concerns I have about potential corruption in football, and to enquire whether you are currently investigating any of this.

Mark Clattenburg recently made some explosive suggestions in your own newspaper (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...BURG-Stop-hypocrite-Jurgen-guys-dive-too.html).

Speaking of Jurgen Klopp’s recent comments on refereeing decisions he said:

“But he [Klopp] is wrong to suggest there is an aura around United that sees them given favourable decisions. There used to be when Fergie was there, but that has eased massively since he left.”

On the face of it this is a jokey comment, but it is actually very insightful. He tacitly accepts that a manager put pressure on referees to give certain decisions. Whilst unsurprising this is worrying. What sort of pressure, and how was it applied? Alternatively, (and note use of the words “aura” and “favourable” in this regard) it is also possible to imply that the said manager may have positively sought influence (through inducement) rather than negatively (through pressure). I, of course, am not making such an accusation as I don’t have any proof to make it– but the point to explore through investigation is there.

In isolation this comment from a high profile referee might be un-concerning. However, it follows comments from Mark Halsey regarding the Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL) and its head, Mike Riley. In his book Added Time he reference a specific, disputed refereeing decision he made. He was contacted by PGMOL about his decision and he said of that contact:

“When I got the call I said I was still happy — but they said my bosses weren’t happy. I was under pressure to say I hadn’t seen it.”

The conclusion here is clear. Referees are subject to undue influence from powerful bodies/individuals in football to change their decisions. In a tweet from 2016 () Halsey reiterated the point:

“I have been in that situation when I have seen an incident and been told to say I haven't seen it”.

The Calciopoli scandal in Italy showed that referees can be influenced to fix matches by powerful bodies/individuals. The comments from Clattenburg and Halsey show that there is a reasonable degree of probability that similar is happening in English football.

I would have expected either PGMOL, the FA, or the Premier League to have launched an immediate, thorough, and transparent investigation once these points were made publicly - to preserve the integrity of the game. Afterall, earlier this month, the Wolves Manager Nuno Espirito Santo was fined for comment he made in the press about Lee Mason, on the basis that they implied ’bias, attack[ed] the official’s integrity, are personally offensive, prolonged, or particularly unreasonable’.

Here we have prima facie evidence from 2 referees that unethical behaviour from senior bodies/individuals is influencing referees. If this doesn’t raise serious concerns about the integrity of the game which warrant investigation, publicly, then I find that very surprising.

I’d be grateful for your observations, if you have time to give them. Are you looking into this? Would you be prepared to raise the issue with governing bodies?

Thanks"
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
Ok so I emailed Martin Samuel - will let you know if he replies:

"Dear Martin

I wanted to flag some concerns I have about potential corruption in football, and to enquire whether you are currently investigating any of this.

Mark Clattenburg recently made some explosive suggestions in your own newspaper (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...BURG-Stop-hypocrite-Jurgen-guys-dive-too.html).

Speaking of Jurgen Klopp’s recent comments on refereeing decisions he said:

“But he [Klopp] is wrong to suggest there is an aura around United that sees them given favourable decisions. There used to be when Fergie was there, but that has eased massively since he left.”

On the face of it this is a jokey comment, but it is actually very insightful. He tacitly accepts that a manager put pressure on referees to give certain decisions. Whilst unsurprising this is worrying. What sort of pressure, and how was it applied? Alternatively, (and note use of the words “aura” and “favourable” in this regard) it is also possible to imply that the said manager may have positively sought influence (through inducement) rather than negatively (through pressure). I, of course, am not making such an accusation as I don’t have any proof to make it– but the point to explore through investigation is there.

In isolation this comment from a high profile referee might be un-concerning. However, it follows comments from Mark Halsey regarding the Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL) and its head, Mike Riley. In his book Added Time he reference a specific, disputed refereeing decision he made. He was contacted by PGMOL about his decision and he said of that contact:

“When I got the call I said I was still happy — but they said my bosses weren’t happy. I was under pressure to say I hadn’t seen it.”

The conclusion here is clear. Referees are subject to undue influence from powerful bodies/individuals in football to change their decisions. In a tweet from 2016 () Halsey reiterated the point:

“I have been in that situation when I have seen an incident and been told to say I haven't seen it”.

The Calciopoli scandal in Italy showed that referees can be influenced to fix matches by powerful bodies/individuals. The comments from Clattenburg and Halsey show that there is a reasonable degree of probability that similar is happening in English football.

I would have expected either PGMOL, the FA, or the Premier League to have launched an immediate, thorough, and transparent investigation once these points were made publicly - to preserve the integrity of the game. Afterall, earlier this month, the Wolves Manager Nuno Espirito Santo was fined for comment he made in the press about Lee Mason, on the basis that they implied ’bias, attack[ed] the official’s integrity, are personally offensive, prolonged, or particularly unreasonable’.

Here we have prima facie evidence from 2 referees that unethical behaviour from senior bodies/individuals is influencing referees. If this doesn’t raise serious concerns about the integrity of the game which warrant investigation, publicly, then I find that very surprising.

I’d be grateful for your observations, if you have time to give them. Are you looking into this? Would you be prepared to raise the issue with governing bodies?

Thanks"
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A 'like' is not enough. That is brilliant, well thought out and it hits the important points.
Take a bow Sir.
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
Ok so I emailed Martin Samuel - will let you know if he replies:

"Dear Martin

I wanted to flag some concerns I have about potential corruption in football, and to enquire whether you are currently investigating any of this.

Mark Clattenburg recently made some explosive suggestions in your own newspaper (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...BURG-Stop-hypocrite-Jurgen-guys-dive-too.html).

Speaking of Jurgen Klopp’s recent comments on refereeing decisions he said:

“But he [Klopp] is wrong to suggest there is an aura around United that sees them given favourable decisions. There used to be when Fergie was there, but that has eased massively since he left.”

On the face of it this is a jokey comment, but it is actually very insightful. He tacitly accepts that a manager put pressure on referees to give certain decisions. Whilst unsurprising this is worrying. What sort of pressure, and how was it applied? Alternatively, (and note use of the words “aura” and “favourable” in this regard) it is also possible to imply that the said manager may have positively sought influence (through inducement) rather than negatively (through pressure). I, of course, am not making such an accusation as I don’t have any proof to make it– but the point to explore through investigation is there.

In isolation this comment from a high profile referee might be un-concerning. However, it follows comments from Mark Halsey regarding the Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL) and its head, Mike Riley. In his book Added Time he reference a specific, disputed refereeing decision he made. He was contacted by PGMOL about his decision and he said of that contact:

“When I got the call I said I was still happy — but they said my bosses weren’t happy. I was under pressure to say I hadn’t seen it.”

The conclusion here is clear. Referees are subject to undue influence from powerful bodies/individuals in football to change their decisions. In a tweet from 2016 () Halsey reiterated the point:

“I have been in that situation when I have seen an incident and been told to say I haven't seen it”.

The Calciopoli scandal in Italy showed that referees can be influenced to fix matches by powerful bodies/individuals. The comments from Clattenburg and Halsey show that there is a reasonable degree of probability that similar is happening in English football.

I would have expected either PGMOL, the FA, or the Premier League to have launched an immediate, thorough, and transparent investigation once these points were made publicly - to preserve the integrity of the game. Afterall, earlier this month, the Wolves Manager Nuno Espirito Santo was fined for comment he made in the press about Lee Mason, on the basis that they implied ’bias, attack[ed] the official’s integrity, are personally offensive, prolonged, or particularly unreasonable’.

Here we have prima facie evidence from 2 referees that unethical behaviour from senior bodies/individuals is influencing referees. If this doesn’t raise serious concerns about the integrity of the game which warrant investigation, publicly, then I find that very surprising.

I’d be grateful for your observations, if you have time to give them. Are you looking into this? Would you be prepared to raise the issue with governing bodies?

Thanks"
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I would love to see a reply from Samuel on this.
 
We all said at the start of the season there is nothing better for the PL than a Dippers and Rags title fight. We all saw the corruption to get them into the CL last season and the officiating has carried over to this year, not just soft penalties but blatant ones ignored against them, refusing to issue cards and sendings off. Funny enough we see the Dippers having Var applied correctly in most cases this season, where the last few years they have had the same dodgy officiating as Utd are getting now. It’s almost as if the PL don’t want them pulling away from the Rags to make a title fight of it.
That post of it doesn’t get bigger than this sums it all up.
 
I have a question for the corruption deniers.
Can you tell me one professional sporting organisation that would allow some one to officiate at the highest level even thought they are not physically fit ? (a key requirement for his role)
Further the same person is incompetent in how he undertakes his officiating and finally after being presented with a dossier regarding his (corrupt) officiating, still employ him AND put him in charge of a match concerning that team ?

I bet you cannot name one sport where someone like the fat fuck that did our game today would be allowed to be in charge.
 
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