Corruption in English football?

Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Biased refereeing done properly can be very difficult to detect.

You don't have to make any particularly controversial decision; you just have to effect player behaviour.

Let's say for instance the referee were to skew his interpretation of a foul say 60/40 in favour of a particular team it is often enough to sow doubt in the minds of the player which 100% effects their decision-making process. I've seen it with City so many times in the past where we've been constantly penalised for questionable fouls that break up play, and you can see the point in the game where the players heads drop when they realise they are being done over.
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Can’t be that difficult to detect. Every fucker on here can spot it a mile off.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I've often considered unconscious bias, but that's far too convenient an excuse (along with all their other bullsh*t excuses).

Given that the PiGMOL/PL are responsible for maintaining fairness (an appearance of fairness in this case) in a competition where results are worth potentially £MILLIONS, you would think their personnel would be given AT LEAST an awareness of unconscious bias, and possibly training in how to identify it and eliminate it.
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I think a charge of unconscious bias at a referee is more palatable publicly so as not to be seen accusing them of conscious bias (cheating) however, I don’t actually believe in the concept of unconscious bias. There is only conscious bias as far as I’m concerned but different ways of camouflaging it so it’s not apparent. Being a referee gives you a fair degree of latitude to apply it knowing that no one can prove it.
 
And further to my post above on the subject, my concerns about actual bias being shown I’ve seen some questionable decisions from Paul Tierney, Stuart Attwell, Robert Jones, Anthony Taylor and before he stopped reffing (though the Wirral based b’stard is still on VAR) bloody Mike ‘look at me, I’m famous’ Dean.
 
Jack Hackett said:
And further to my post above on the subject, my concerns about actual bias being shown I’ve seen some questionable decisions from Paul Tierney, Stuart Attwell, Robert Jones, Anthony Taylor and before he stopped reffing (though the Wirral based b’stard is still on VAR) bloody Mike ‘look at me, I’m famous’ Dean.
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All have dirty hands in this affair - PiGMOL won't want to resolve anything . Suits them just fine as it is , the cunts.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Biased refereeing done properly can be very difficult to detect.

You don't have to make any particularly controversial decision; you just have to effect player behaviour.

Let's say for instance the referee were to skew his interpretation of a foul say 60/40 in favour of a particular team it is often enough to sow doubt in the minds of the player which 100% effects their decision-making process. I've seen it with City so many times in the past where we've been constantly penalised for questionable fouls that break up play, and you can see the point in the game where the players heads drop when they realise they are being done over.
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Same with timewasting. The opposition goalkeepers who blatantly & repeatedly waste time and never get cautioned. Ederson does it once and immediately gets carded. That is bias and we see it every single week.
 
I voted no because of the difficulty in proving something like this. The unconscious bias angle is an interesting thought and that can exist with or without conscious bias. There can be no doubt wrong decisions are being made and it would not surprise me if the reasons are a mixture of both types of bias and incompetence and coverup. Never doubt the power of incompetence and coverup, virtually everything that goes wrong in the world involves a good dollop of both!

On the other hand the one thing that nags in my mind is the KEY decisions that never go our way. Opposition fans often quote bizarre examples of decisions going our way (Everton, Wolves games for example), however these are when we are creating large quantities of chances and ultimately have no bearing on the game or the season. When I think of the pivotal nature of the derby decision meaning Arsenal are suddenly the bookie’s favourite or those outrageous decisions against Liverpool in the league and the champions league (not forgetting that CL semi against Spurs!) it is difficult not to think there is an underlying agenda.
 
dronefromsector7G said:
Smith: “it’s a little high”. Yes Alan and you’re a little bit of a wanker
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And then the narrative in the media became he (Casemiro) should have been substituted earlier to prevent the booking happening. In my mind it should've been yellow or red? Furthermore Andy Goldstein kept pushing the narrative that surely united should be good enough to beat Palace without Casemiro, completely oblivious that they didn't do that with him on the pitch for the full match!!
 
LongsightM13 said:
Hmmm, Clattenburg effectively forces out of his lucrative new gig in Egypt within months. Something seriously fishy about this man

Mark Clattenburg quits role as Egypt referees boss after five months
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/africa/64387478
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I’m sure there is a fascinating investigative report coming soon with stories of referees forced to retire along with value of compensation packages for NDSs.
 
LongsightM13 said:
Hmmm, Clattenburg effectively forces out of his lucrative new gig in Egypt within months. Something seriously fishy about this man

Mark Clattenburg quits role as Egypt referees boss after five months
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/africa/64387478
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“Mansour has been critical of Clattenburg’s role in Egyptian football and has incorrectly claimed that the ex-ref has left his wife to start a gay relationship,” the report continued


Doesn't seem to be corruption just ridiculous allegations!
 
Just to remind us how they think.

Clattenburg made the point that he once gave three penalties against United at Old Trafford, ironically against arch-rivals Liverpool, and, if he’d just left it there, he could have walked away having proved that there’s no bias from referees towards the Red Devils. But in his pay-off line he added: “But David Moyes was the manager at the time – I’m not sure that would have happened when Fergie was there.”
 
SebastianBlue said:
POLL RESULTS

Do you believe there are efforts by the Premier League to unduly influence match and comp outcomes?​

  • Yes ✓​

    Votes: 193 | 87.3%

  • No​

    Votes: 28 | 12.7%
  • Total voters: 221
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That's quite telling.

I'm squarely in the yes camp. If you look as some of the decisions, and patterns of play in certain games it's difficult to conclude there is anything other than manipulation in order to try and influence outcomes.

Even something simple, such as the referee being told to try and keep the game competitive for as long as possible (for example not sending the Wolves player off for the challenge on Gundogan last week which ticked every box as a Red card offence). I'm doubtful the referee would have hesitated to send the player off had roles been reversed.
 
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