COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[alexmcity]

I shall refrain from posting here as I can't write anything optimistic and there is little point in scaring people further.

Do the best you can do to protect your families. Don't worry too much about things which do not depend on your actions. As Pep likes to say, it is what it is.

 

[Indaparkside]

Have they confirmed they are able to do it? Last I read was about them wanting to help but it being unlikely anyone can do much. There’s no agreed blueprint and getting the components will take many weeks potentially months. Has there been an update to that?

She’s on a long day today so should hear something later, there apparently in an advanced state of negotiations with the companies, the issue their having is getting nurses/ doctors fitted with the head masks as they have none or very little left. She treated a patient in a side room with suspected corona which turned out negative she said she nearly collapsed as the equipment you have to wear on top of your uniform is stifling

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Daily briefings are now be given by No 10.
In the first one today the Government needs to explain the justification for it's 'controlled herd immunity' programme, why it is better than the lockdown measures adopted in other countries and the risks.
Not hopeful but let's see.

That, or explain the timeframes they are talking about.

If they meant that herd immunity is the longterm plan, and not the plan for this summer, that's not the message that the media took from last week, and should have been corrected.

 

[Chippy_boy]

That's known infections.

No, there's 1,400 known infections.

 

[inbetween]

Daily briefings are now be given by No 10.
In the first one today the Government needs to explain the justification for it's 'controlled herd immunity' programme, why it is better than the lockdown measures adopted in other countries and the risks.
Not hopeful but let's see.

I find it difficult to see why folk can't understand the herd immunity concept, it's exactly how we survive and don't get killed by rafts of other far more dangerous diseases.

We HAVE to build this immunity or else we'll just perpetually see the virus bounce around the population like flu killing off thousands every year. The longer it sticks in the unexposed population the more chance it will selectively mutate in new outbreaks.

By exposing the entire population people are more unlikely to be infectious after recovery and that protects the more vulnerable who can't be infected by someone who can't be infected.

The only reason for lockdown is to protect the NHS which will definitely be overwhelmed at some point. At the moment though there are perhaps 30 people in ICU spread over the country, that isn't overwhelming.

The goal is to increase the number of cases by any number necessary BUT keep the number of deaths as low as possible. The number of deaths is only related to age and pre-existing health complications at the moment and nothing else.

The risk (at the moment) is almost non-existant to most people. There are only 20 active cases per 1 million people and more people are recovering than dying.

 

[George Hannah]

Top post.

I agree with your point about people in their own homes infecting others. But as it stands, the number of infected households is still relatively small. We can guess there's probably 20,000 infected now (based on up to 10,000 on Thursday). There's 25m homes in the UK.

It's based on the false premise that the virus can be stopped in its tracks - it can't - it has to run its course in the absence of a vaccine. The Koreans are prolonging that process not stopping it

Flawed thinking.
We are also accepting that our measures will have to continue for a long long time. How can 40m get infected over anything other than 1year+ without overwhelming the NHS?. Do the maths
So both nations will have to continue with their measures only we will have many more dead than they will. So which policies are the correct ones?
The Asian nations are much more in tune with what needs to be done because of their previous experiences with SARS and other viruses. Monitoring and testing, testing, testing, testing.
But we in the UK - with no experience - apparently know best. No point in widespread testing apparently.

Our government's position is that the flawed thinking is that of the South Koreans and those like yourself. The UK is a world leader in virology and it's our scientists who led the successful international efforts to control SARS and Ebola. The government has to follow the best scientifc advice available - which it is doing. Just stop claiming different responses in other countries are better and have some faith in your own.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Flawed thinking.

We are also accepting that our measures will have to continue for a long long time. How can 40m get infected over anything other than 1year+ without overwhelming the NHS?. Do the maths

So both nations will have to continue with their measures only we will have many more dead than they will. So which policies are the correct ones?

The Asian nations are much more in tune with what needs to be done because of their previous experiences with SARS and other viruses. Monitoring and testing, testing, testing, testing.

But we in the UK - with no experience - apparently know best. No point in widespread testing apparently.

This is certainly how it seems to me.
It seemed like mixed messages - delay the peak (obviously a good idea) by not putting any restrictions in place and allowing it to spread (when such restrictions would help delay the peak).
I don't see how herd immunity does anything but reduce the height of future peaks.

The testing I'm less bothered by, as this seems resource-limited, but then again, they can now test many many more as the kit production was dramatically escalated.

The govt plan may work and be based on science; I've not seen explanation to justify it on science.
The 'boredom' reason suggests it's being based on behavioural modelling, and not hard science. I can't get my head round that.

 

[platty7]

I work at a school. Parents already keeping kids off today, we had a member of staff go home on friday morning self isolating. Deputy head has just been to her classroom and asked the TA if said teacher was in this morning. Erm no she self isolating you idiot.
They didn't want her to go home on Friday and she was showing symptoms and called 111 who told her to go.

 

[SWP's back]

It's a question of judgement, the UK argues that the South Korean response, after initial success in restricting the spread of the virus, will allow the epidemic to continue for a much longer period because the majority of the population will not gain immunity that infection will bring. Our response is to allow the virus to run its course while protecting vulnerable groups.

Good explanation of it although I’m still not convinced by the logic (ie that the 10% that may need ICU won’t swamp the NHS if we have a huge boom in numbers)

 

[George Hannah]

I shall refrain from posting here as I can't write anything optimistic and there is little point in scaring people further.

Utterly stupid post and poster, this country and the rest of the world will get through this very difficult situation and the tragic loss of life entailed. We will do it by remaining cheerful amid the difficulties. Suggesting information is being concealed - let alone posters on a football forum are privy to it - is sick.