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missing person said:
A french doctor proved so called covid-19 was around in France in December due to backdated blood tests.

Dr Andrew Kaufman
Dr Rashid Buttar
On londonreal.com
Spell it out for you, I suggest you listen and take it in, rather than believe everything you are fed.
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It’s a hat trick of bollocks!
 
missing person said:
A french doctor proved so called covid-19 was around in France in December due to backdated blood tests.

Dr Andrew Kaufman
Dr Rashid Buttar
On londonreal.com
Spell it out for you, I suggest you listen and take it in, rather than believe everything you are fed.
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you do know that 1 case does not mean wide spread transmission dont you? 1 case is 1 case and its entirely possible that a few cases may have been around then while not spreading to millions instantly.

You can clearly see when large scale community spread started by looking at this graph. but then you probably think the ONS are faking it.
 
shemnel said:
my rather cynical friend was predicting, a couple months ago, that people would basically be begging to go back to the pre-covid way, back to debt cycles and living on credit and being a consumer, instead of taking the greatest opportunity of a generation for social change. Dunno, part of me agrees, part of me hopes he's wrong.
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You'll have to wait for the recession to fully hit for that to happen.
 
BlueAnorak said:
He's spot on - especially with the hand sanitizer.
Just do what South Korea did.
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Why do you especially mention hand sanitizer?

Meanwhile in Germany it's "common sense" ;) that transmission mainly goes via droplets and aerosol,
only a minor part by smear infection via surfaces.

Keeping distance to others and avoiding dense and unventilated indoor situations is key IMO.
Use a mask where it makes sense (indoors and/or dense locations).


Adding to the anxiety discussions ahead,
it's helpful to use your senses and brain avoiding this virus
instead a spiral of emotions or even panic. Trust your smart self and feel good.

Keep cool everybody. Be aware of the situation you are exposed to and still enjoy life! Be creative and do things where you have a good feeling that there's no chance for an infection.

I'll be out with my old car to hit some golf balls
and afterwards have my picknick on the lake shore, safely.
 
Why explicitly hand sanitizer?
Because there isn't a country in the far east that has beaten this pandemic that doesnt have it everywhere.
Scientific studies say most infections are picked up from your hands and transferred to you mouth, nose or eyes when you touch your face. (70-85% is the range of study possibilities for the record. Most by aerosol droplet landing on your hand or being picked picked up from a surface or material. So our science sources can BOTH be right) Therefore whenever you have to touch things there should be 60%+ alcohol hand sanitizer on hand near by. Hand rails, escalators lift buttons, request road crossings shops on entry and exit.
Thus to properly restart the economy it needs to be everywhere. It isn't and it bloody well should be.
 
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BlueAnorak said:
Why explicitly hand sanitizer?
Because there isn't a country in the far east that has beaten this pandemic that doesnt have it everywhere.
Scientific studies say most infections are picked up from your hands and transferred to you mouth, nose or eyes when you touch your face. (70-85% is the range of study possibilities for the record. Most by aerosol droplet landing on your hand or being picked picked up from a surface or material. So our science sources can BOTH be right) Therefore whenever you have to touch things there should 60%+ alcohol hand sanitizer near by. Hand rails, escalators lift buttons, request road crossings shops on entry and exit.
Thus to properly restart the economy it needs to be everywhere. It isn't and it bloody well should be.
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Good post and something we should be doing everywhere.
 
Mon Autre said:
Unfortunately absolutely everything about the government's strategy has been reactive. And when they have finally acted they've been disorganised and often taken the wrong option. We are going to keep falling behind other countries, even ones who had less warning than ours, and our economy will suffer as a result. The best way to get the economy moving is to manage the virus response properly. That's the government's job.

The government is still focused on short term gains. They've struggled to get contact tracing in place but still want to rush teachers back so that the kids' parents can be rushed back soon afterwards. Doing this will harm the economy even further in the long term if we risk a second spike that is worse than in other countries.
There's a ceiling on how far you can get trampling all over the poorest in society in order to further your economy. We need something that protects everyone from the bottom up right now and unfortunately the Tories are completely unfamiliar with that concept.
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Difficult to be agile when you have big government. The wheels of motion take time to spin up. Just look at how many departments are concerned with health! That's a fuck load of civil servants to shepherd.
 
I see 3 people at Watford FC have tested positively for covid 19.1 player and 2 staff no wonder Troy Deeney is a bit reluctant to resume training. Can you blame him? If the premier league restarts and we have more cases players will be sueing the ass off the league if they are forced back under duress Now is the time for the whole country to stick together and get this thing under proper control. I agree hand sanitizers should be everywhere. I've seen more defibrillators than hand sanitizer stations. Fuck the sport for now, some things are far more important.
 
Nellies left peg said:
This surcharge is a disgrace for immigrant care workers and Boris says they helped save his life, but because it raises 900m its acceptable?????
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But you have to look at it objectively. It is designed to make up for the short fall created by migrant workers who have never contributed being eligible for free healthcare from day 1. If you arbitrarily remove 1 category of migrant worker you have no argument against removing them all. You then have free healthcare for all migrants paid for by those who have contributed. Not a very amicable situation.
 
twosips said:
Who are these experts? Only seen the cancer specialist fella Sikora say that, and even then he said it was just a hunch.
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The thing is, should we be listening to "experts" at this stage? How can you be an expert on something that didn't exist 6 months ago?

Nobody really knows what this virus will do long term, it may have gone by winter or it may not, there may or may not be a second peak, and if there is it may or may not be worse than the first. The fact is we just dont know. And in my opinion neither does anybody.

Since the very beginning of this I have read something almost every single day that completely contradicts what I read the day before. And all from so called experts.

They're guessing, same as all of us.
 
Mr Partridge said:
The thing is, should we be listening to "experts" at this stage? How can you be an expert on something that didn't exist 6 months ago?

Nobody really knows what this virus will do long term, it may have gone by winter or it may not, there may or may not be a second peak, and if there is it may or may not be worse than the first. The fact is we just dont know. And in my opinion neither does anybody.

Since the very beginning of this I have read something almost every single day that completely contradicts what I read the day before. And all from so called experts.

They're guessing, same as all of us.
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I think there are more experts on here than the WHO have at their disposal
 
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