COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[kevin horlocks wand]

Never heard of him so I’ll defer to your judgement on that, but he was a complete wanker then on tv and of no help to anyone - so annoying I had to mute the telly.

they were supposed to be talking about whether the police are being OTT and he started promoting his own works and scientists who agreed with him!!

 

[AlgarveBlu]

in a way you are both right.

the actual mortality rate of this when the dust settles may be less than 1% , our experts have said that they expect that since day 1.

however this disease is new and the NHS could not have managed with this on top of an existing stretched NHS at this time of year so it did need managing. Given the spread and numbers that need hospital treatment with this the nhs would simply not be able to cope and therefore we needed to make measures to help them . The nhs would be overwhelmed if we did nothing.

however the response needs to be proportionate , if this goes on too long the impact is going to be worse than the virus itself. Hopefully in my view until the end of April then a gradual relaxation hopefully.

not only are businesses going bust, people losing their jobs but we are spending billions supporting business , high in many cases that won’t recover anyway particularly if this is going to last months.

Don’t forget not only are we currently spending billions we are doing so at a time when the tax take has absolutely tanked. People not driving cars , so no tax from the petrol, people not flying so no aviation tax, no people moving house so no stamp duty, let alone businesses not trading for a few months so no tax take from these businesses or people.

if people think austerity was bad after the financial crash wait for this. This is already going to be hard enough, the longer the period of lockdown goes harder and longer it is going to take to recover.

people need to start throwing into the equation the hardship and severity of the after effects when they are considering how long current lock downs are going to go on for.

Bang on! people are in for a really nasty reality shock when this is over...everyone is understandably focusing on their own and loved ones well being so it’s a normal survival instinct at this stage. I knew back in mid February this had all the hallmarks of being a seminal moment in peoples lives in many ways.

I can’t even look some people in the eye down here as around 60% are cash in hand - they will literally be wiped out as they are not even eligible for short term state aid which will only be like applying a plaster over a severed hand anyhow.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

in a way you are both right.

the actual mortality rate of this when the dust settles may be less than 1% , our experts have said that they expect that since day 1.

however this disease is new and the NHS could not have managed with this on top of an existing stretched NHS at this time of year so it did need managing. Given the spread and numbers that need hospital treatment with this the nhs would simply not be able to cope and therefore we needed to make measures to help them . The nhs would be overwhelmed if we did nothing.

however the response needs to be proportionate , if this goes on too long the impact is going to be worse than the virus itself. Hopefully in my view until the end of April then a gradual relaxation hopefully.

not only are businesses going bust, people losing their jobs but we are spending billions supporting business , high in many cases that won’t recover anyway particularly if this is going to last months.

Don’t forget not only are we currently spending billions we are doing so at a time when the tax take has absolutely tanked. People not driving cars , so no tax from the petrol, people not flying so no aviation tax, no people moving house so no stamp duty, let alone businesses not trading for a few months so no tax take from these businesses or people.

if people think austerity was bad after the financial crash wait for this. This is already going to be hard enough, the longer the period of lockdown goes harder and longer it is going to take to recover.

people need to start throwing into the equation the hardship and severity of the after effects when they are considering how long current lock downs are going to go on for.

That’s a very well considered and sensible post. There has to be a proportionate approach to this pandemic - and unfortunately saving every life possible does not sit in all fours with that.

I broadly agree with your timescales too.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Never heard of him so I’ll defer to your judgement on that, but he was a complete wanker then on tv and of no help to anyone - so annoying I had to mute the telly.

You should defer to my judgement instead.

 

[blueparrot]

Which has to be bollocks as why would the governments react like this if it’s less lethal than normal Flu?

We wont know until long after how many of us had it and how many died. What we do know is it’s highly infectious and we have no immunity so huge numbers are getting it at the same time . So even if the mortality rate was less than 1% unless governments reacted like this hospitals would be overwhelmed , have most staff off ill, and people would die from cases they would have recovered from as well as unrelated causes that they couldn’t get treated.

 

[Ban-jani]

Never heard of him so I’ll defer to your judgement on that, but he was a complete wanker then on tv and of no help to anyone - so annoying I had to mute the telly.

He can be, he’s naturally a contrarian to popular opinion and is often attacked for his views, therefore can be somewhat difficult it interview.

He’s worth listening generally speaking, as he’s often proved right.

Another example was, despite him being a Euro sceptic and wanting Brexit, he said doing so through a referendum would cause a constitutional crisis and it would drag out for several years, before we got anywhere. He said that in 2014.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

You are correct. Peter Hitchens is a ****.

The wrong brother went early as is so often the way.

 

[grunge]

in a way you are both right.

the actual mortality rate of this when the dust settles may be less than 1% , our experts have said that they expect that since day 1.

however this disease is new and the NHS could not have managed with this on top of an existing stretched NHS at this time of year so it did need managing. Given the spread and numbers that need hospital treatment with this the nhs would simply not be able to cope and therefore we needed to make measures to help them . The nhs would be overwhelmed if we did nothing.

however the response needs to be proportionate , if this goes on too long the impact is going to be worse than the virus itself. Hopefully in my view until the end of April then a gradual relaxation hopefully.

not only are businesses going bust, people losing their jobs but we are spending billions supporting business , high in many cases that won’t recover anyway particularly if this is going to last months.

Don’t forget not only are we currently spending billions we are doing so at a time when the tax take has absolutely tanked. People not driving cars , so no tax from the petrol, people not flying so no aviation tax, no people moving house so no stamp duty, let alone businesses not trading for a few months so no tax take from these businesses or people.

if people think austerity was bad after the financial crash wait for this. This is already going to be hard enough, the longer the period of lockdown goes harder and longer it is going to take to recover.

people need to start throwing into the equation the hardship and severity of the after effects when they are considering how long current lock downs are going to go on for.

thats the thing with this one, due to the fact approximately 15-20% of known cases need medical assistance of some sort the mortality rate will be directly linked to the quality of health care people get. if may well be 1% in a country that manages it well and doesn't overload the medical system,

However all you need to do is look at Spain and Italy right now to see what happens when the medical systems are overloaded. which will be the case in all 2nd and 3rd world countries who barely have a medical system

 

[Tricky_Trev]

Saw that Hitchens interview too. What a wanker. “Just a bit of flu lads”, nothing to see here. Let’s ignore there being 7.8 billion people with no immunity to it. Let’s ignore the severe respiratory disease it causes in many. Let’s ignore the healthcare services around the world coming under intense stress and not being able to cope. Let’s ignore the many many thousands of deaths that will lead to where there simply isn’t a ventilator, or even more shockingly where someone is taken off a ventilator and deemed of less use to the economy going forwards and therefore left to die. Let’s ignore the fact that if left unchecked, the death toll would be astronomical. Peter Hitchens knows best everyone. Let’s all stop this pathetic social distancing, let’s stop being so dramatic about a fucking flu.

I can’t believe he used that platform, in front of the nation, to peddle that shit. Some people will lack the cognitive ability to see it for the bollocks that it is, which is worrying. We don’t need anyone giving people a nudge to flout the lockdown rules. It poses a danger to us all.

 

[Ban-jani]

The wrong brother went early as is so often the way.

This disgusting shite is often thrown at P.Hitchens, directly to what he says on Twitter.

I’ve read more of Christopher‘s work and he’s definitely the more impressive but what you’ve just said you should be ashamed of.