COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[sir baconface]

...however the response needs to be proportionate , if this goes on too long the impact is going to be worse than the virus itself. Hopefully in my view until the end of April then a gradual relaxation hopefully.

not only are businesses going bust, people losing their jobs but we are spending billions supporting business , high in many cases that won’t recover anyway particularly if this is going to last months.

Don’t forget not only are we currently spending billions we are doing so at a time when the tax take has absolutely tanked. People not driving cars , so no tax from the petrol, people not flying so no aviation tax, no people moving house so no stamp duty, let alone businesses not trading for a few months so no tax take from these businesses or people.

if people think austerity was bad after the financial crash wait for this. This is already going to be hard enough, the longer the period of lockdown goes harder and longer it is going to take to recover.

people need to start throwing into the equation the hardship and severity of the after effects when they are considering how long current lock downs are going to go on for.

So true, apart from April looking optimistic. The arguments on here and elsewhere will pale into insignificance compared to those in the economic aftermath.

The 80% provisions, whilst laudable and necessary, provide temporary camouflage. They might even be a bit of fun for some in their novelty phase. However, they won’t prevent loads of businesses going tits up. Employers generally get lambasted for being fat exploitative bastards. Rather fewer people appreciate that lack of cash flow is - sooner or later - fatal to any commercial operation. And that translates into job losses.

As you say, there’s a humungous tab to be picked up whilst the tax take is dwindling. Only massive borrowing can plug the gap. That too will impact for years to come.

 

[blueparrot]

thats the thing with this one, due to the fact approximately 20% of known cases need medical assistance of some sort the mortality rate will be directly linked to the quality of health care people get. if may well be 1% in a country that manages it well and doesn't overload the medical system,

However all you need to do is look at Spain and Italy right now to see what happens when the medical systems are overloaded. which will be the case in all 2nd and 3rd world countries who barely have a medical system

Medical staff are also learning tricks as they go along too, which should help bring down mortality as we go as long as they don't get overstretched. Spoke to my daughter last night and she was telling us that a procedure that normally is a last resort after ventilators was being done before putting patients on a ventilator and seemed to make the ventilator more effective. I assume this sort of information as its found is passed around all the hospitals.

 

[Ban-jani]

Saw that Hitchens interview too. What a wanker. “Just a bit of flu lads”, nothing to see here. Let’s ignore there being 7.8 billion people with no immunity to it. Let’s ignore the severe respiratory disease it causes in many. Let’s ignore the healthcare services around the world coming under intense stress and not being able to cope. Let’s ignore the many many thousands of deaths that will lead to where there simply isn’t a ventilator, or even more shockingly where someone is taken off a ventilator and deemed of less use to the economy going forwards and therefore left to die. Let’s ignore the fact that if left unchecked, the death toll would be astronomical. Peter Hitchens knows best everyone. Let’s all stop this pathetic social distancing, let’s stop being so dramatic about a fucking flu.

I can’t believe he used that platform, in front of the nation, to peddle that shit. Some people will lack the cognitive ability to see it for the bollocks that it is, which is worrying. We don’t need anyone giving people a nudge to flout the lockdown rules. It poses a danger to us all.

So shut down any debate that you disagree with? Got it.

You’d be right at home in Hungary, where the government has essentially taken total control away from parliament.

I disagree with Peter Hitchens, on this occasion, I think we need a lockdown and I think the sooner this is over by doing so, the better but we should have contrary views to the status quo, especially in unprecedented times and especially when we’re taking measures that are the most authoritarian in history.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The wrong brother went early as is so often the way.

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[Nellies left peg]

Knowing nothing about virology or professing to I wonder if the flu jab makes any difference to the way people get covid 19.Does it make the body produce antibodies that can make it less aggressive or give a certain amount of protection although not totally t o make the symptoms less severe. Just a thought

 

[i8rags]

in a way you are both right.

the actual mortality rate of this when the dust settles may be less than 1% , our experts have said that they expect that since day 1.

however this disease is new and the NHS could not have managed with this on top of an existing stretched NHS at this time of year so it did need managing. Given the spread and numbers that need hospital treatment with this the nhs would simply not be able to cope and therefore we needed to make measures to help them . The nhs would be overwhelmed if we did nothing.

however the response needs to be proportionate , if this goes on too long the impact is going to be worse than the virus itself. Hopefully in my view until the end of April then a gradual relaxation hopefully.

not only are businesses going bust, people losing their jobs but we are spending billions supporting business , high in many cases that won’t recover anyway particularly if this is going to last months.

Don’t forget not only are we currently spending billions we are doing so at a time when the tax take has absolutely tanked. People not driving cars , so no tax from the petrol, people not flying so no aviation tax, no people moving house so no stamp duty, let alone businesses not trading for a few months so no tax take from these businesses or people.

if people think austerity was bad after the financial crash wait for this. This is already going to be hard enough, the longer the period of lockdown goes harder and longer it is going to take to recover.

people need to start throwing into the equation the hardship and severity of the after effects when they are considering how long current lock downs are going to go on for.

Bang on mate, but there is some positives.
Uk tourism is going to explode, this year and for many years.
The great summer rip off is over for ever.
Restaurants and pubs are going to be booming, what they lose now they’ll make up easy.
Self employed bullshit tax returns will cease.
The nhs will be stronger and more appreciated.
The cleanliness of the nation will improve and winter viruses will slow.
Family life will improve, parents doing more at home and outdoors.
Eating less shite from takeaway,
Shite companies like sports direct will be swerved and binned.
Grandparents appreciated more, the elderly acknowledged rather than ignored.
Sport brought back to earth.
A country more as one.
Money is vital but life is more important.

 

[blueparrot]

Knowing nothing about virology or professing to I wonder if the flu jab makes any difference to the way people get covid 19.Does it make the body produce antibodies that can make it less aggressive or give a certain amount of protection although not totally t o make the symptoms less severe. Just a thought

I dont know either, though looking at the groups most at risk from this, I’d guess they are groups that had the flu jag , so probably not

 

[sir baconface]

Knowing nothing about virology or professing to I wonder if the flu jab makes any difference to the way people get covid 19.Does it make the body produce antibodies that can make it less aggressive or give a certain amount of protection although not totally t o make the symptoms less severe. Just a thought

Hope so, mate. I’m still clinging on to the hope that my flu jab has made me immortal :)

 

[Tricky_Trev]

So shut down any debate that you disagree with? Got it.

You’d be right at home in Hungary, where the government has essentially taken total control away from parliament.

I disagree with Peter Hitchens, on this occasion, I think we need a lockdown and I think the sooner this is over by doing so, the better but we should have contrary views to the status quo, especially in unprecedented times and especially when we’re taking measures that are the most authoritarian in history.

Anyone who calls it a bit of flu is not debating, they are inflaming/provoking.

 

[grunge]

Knowing nothing about virology or professing to I wonder if the flu jab makes any difference to the way people get covid 19.Does it make the body produce antibodies that can make it less aggressive or give a certain amount of protection although not totally t o make the symptoms less severe. Just a thought

Totally different virus so flu jab will have no effect on it.