COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[George Hannah]

.... We also know it must have been established in the UK in February a while before the first confirmed / hospital cases.

the first recorded UK case was a month before the League Cup final

 

[Vic]

I didn't read much about it but this was all over the news in the last couple of weeks.

https://www.ft.com/content/2a70a02a-644a-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a68

It seems to boil down to WHO not replying to an email (like our government with the email about the EU procurement scheme). WHO's policy in (not)recognising Taiwan doesn't help, but there seems no evidence that Taiwan warned China and the WHO about anything they didn't already know.

From Reuters version: Speaking to reporters in Taipei, the island’s Centres for Disease Control chief Chou Jih-haw said that it written to the WHO and China as early as Dec. 31, asking for information about the newly uncovered virus outbreak in China’s Wuhan city, including whether there was human-to-human transmission. “We asked them whether there’s a possibility of human-to-human transmission. We indeed asked them and reminded them of the matter,” Chou said. He said the WHO confirmed it had received the letter but did not respond to it.

 

[Vic]

Disagree,were supposed to be a democratic society.
If he's wrong,and I think he is,his views should be debated and rebutted.

Who rebutted them on the programme? The presenters? Someone who knows what they're talking about?

 

[Blue Elvis]

Did you complain to management, go to pals, no you came on a football forum to slag our hard working nurses off who are working flat out in difficult circumstances, peolike you make me sick even though the pandemic is on they still had time to see you to make sure you didn’t miss an appointment. I can imagine your a victor meldrew and if it wasn’t for those inconsiderate nurses you slag off you would have one foot in the grave.

I didn’t slag anyone off. You are the one calling the nurses “inconsiderate”.

I have worked in the health service for over 10 years so I don’t need you or anyone else telling me how brave and dedicated they are. How do you know I haven’t raised the matter through appropriate channels ?

We had anticipated that strict protocols would be in place in the hospital based on the official briefings we had watched on TV.

They weren’t in place, so who is responsible ? The Managers , the Government , the staff themselves , hence my question . What the hell is going on ?

This thread is discussing the Corona virus despite being a thread on a football forum . My contribution was simply to share our experience.

Trust me I didn’t like it anymore than you do.

I hope you and your loved ones keep safe.

 

[Cheesy]

Five Live phone in at the moment on about the Police response to the current crisis.

People complaining that their civil liberties are being infringed.

One person contacted them to say they'd been pulled over whilst driving and felt 'demeaned' by it.

Boo-fucking-hoo!

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Just going back to these figures, just read about a Villa fan that started showing symptoms at the final,
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...-in-intensive-care-a-survivors-story-11965073
we know @karen7 caught it at Wembley , presumably not from the Villa fan from somebody else, so we know at least 2 people had it previous to March and were spreading it unknowingly, so how many left Wembley with it and spread it when they went home out of 80,000 ? Maybe these figures are a fair
guide.
We also know it must have been established in the UK in February a while before the first confirmed / hospital cases.

Thought you couldn't catch it at a football match.

 

[TheThirdDeano]

I live in japan and up until very recently (I mean yesterday) there was very much an attitude of ignoring it and pretending everything is fine, tests etc not being done.

bad feeling that’ll catch up to us eventually over here

 

[The blue phantom]

849 more deaths in Spain, 9'000 new cases.

 

[MCFC1993]

Five Live phone in at the moment on about the Police response to the current crisis.

People complaining that their civil liberties are being infringed.

One person contacted them to say they'd been pulled over whilst driving and felt 'demeaned' by it.

Boo-fucking-hoo!

They need to get over it.

I've been back in work since yesterday after a period of self-isolation and I'm disappointed I haven't been pulled over yet.

Seems to still be far too many people out on the roads.

 

[Vic]

Vic, you cannot continue to ignore every single source I post, find yourself a different set of comms and present yours as fact over mine.

The key difference in what you are doing here is quoting what was said at the time, my sources are what Taiwan has said retrospectively this week.

The whole point is did China know prior to the end of January.

Let’s keep this simple as you’re purposely finding old quotes to try and muddy the water, a tactic often deployed by someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

Taipei had written to the WHO in December about H2H contact, whether they had absolute evidence or not, they set off a warning signal, despite having no cases themselves. In early January they had limited travel from certain areas of China, were quarantining and testing arrivals and were advising against travel. They sent scientists to China and have since said, this very week, that their scientists weren’t shown everything, purposely and that they got the feeling the situation was less optimistic than presented.

Now taking all of this into consideration, a small island, that’s not even acknowledged as an independent state, certainly not by the WHO, at the very least thought there’s a huge risk of H2H and China were covering up the reality. At the most they had concrete proof.

They knew the severity of the situation in December.

You see Vic, Taiwan had to tread carefully in December and January, they couldn’t allow tensions to mount with China for no reason and they didn’t want to panic their population. You’re quoting their official line at the time but as ever, with every government both local and national, the official line isn’t necessarily what’s being discussed and this week has been revelation time.

Again, this is what was reported in the FT article:



https://www.ft.com/content/2a70a02a-644a-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a68

So yes, they had good fucking reason to know.

Your sources are all "Taiwan says", as in "Taiwan said its doctors had heard from mainland colleagues that medical staff were getting ill — a sign of human-to-human transmission." Original source? Certainly not their Centres for Disease Control. (Someone said in the UK today it was only like flu...)

You've backtracked from China knew it could be passed between humans. And that Taiwan knew. Now it's "Taipei had written to the WHO in December (the 31st) about H2H contact, whether they had absolute evidence or not". They didn't have absolute evidence. They asked if it was possible, so by "whether they had absolute evidence or not" you mean "even though they had no evidence that it might be".

You say, "Taiwan had to tread carefully in December and January, they couldn’t allow tensions to mount with China for no reason and they didn’t want to panic their population. You’re quoting their official line at the time but as ever, with every government both local and national, the official line isn’t necessarily what’s being discussed and this week has been revelation time." You've been saying that China suppressed information and/or played it down - now you're arguing that's exactly what Taiwan did!