COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Nellies left peg]

Could make a nice hog roast out of them

The humans will get back to find every bit of grass dug up. These wild boar are a fucking menace in the forest of dean

 

[andyhinch]

The humans will get back to find every bit of grass dug up. These wild boar are a fucking menace in the forest of dean

Tasty though

 

[Nellies left peg]

Tasty though

Apparently it is really tasty. Have you tried it?

 

[Ban-jani]

I said you were wumming if you couldn't answer the question What did Taiwan know, and when did they know it?

Just pinning down what you say above: What did Taiwan write to the WHO in December? They say they asked if this pneumonia outbreak in Wuhan could be transmitted human to human. You were implying Taiwan knew it could be transmitted human to human. What is your evidence for that?

The visiting scientists visited Wuhan in January. Their press release said, "In response to the ongoing severe special infectious pneumonia outbreak in Wuhan, China, Taiwan sent the Commander Chuang Yin-ching of the Communicable Disease Control Medical Network and the medical officer Hung Min-nan from the Taiwan Centers for Disease Control (Taiwan CDC) to visit Wuhan, China to obtain more comprehensive information of the outbreak. In the morning of January 16, 2020, the two experts hosted a press conference after their return to Taiwan. During their visit, besides understanding the latest development of the outbreak and the prevention and control measures implemented in Wuhan, the two experts also visited the local hospital and the negative pressure ward in order to better understand the treatment process of the cases and the nosocomial infection control measures implemented at the hospital."

Not a word then about not being able to see all they wanted to see or that "they knew something was wrong". How it was transmitted was dealt with in the same press release: "Since confirmed cases that had not visited the Huanan Seafood Market have been subsequently reported in Thailand and Japan, limited human-to-human spread in Wuhan cannot be ruled out. Additionally, as the source of infection is still under investigation, Taiwan CDC has raised the travel notice level for Wuhan City to Level 2: Alert, advising travelers planning to recently visit Wuhan and other neighboring areas in China to take personal precautions to ward off infection."

Can you not get this? No-one knew. Your whole edifice here is based on the assumption that China was suppressing information about the virus, what it was, and how it was transmitted. You have no evidence.

Vic, you cannot continue to ignore every single source I post, find yourself a different set of comms and present yours as fact over mine.

The key difference in what you are doing here is quoting what was said at the time, my sources are what Taiwan has said retrospectively this week.

The whole point is did China know prior to the end of January.

Let’s keep this simple as you’re purposely finding old quotes to try and muddy the water, a tactic often deployed by someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

Taipei had written to the WHO in December about H2H contact, whether they had absolute evidence or not, they set off a warning signal, despite having no cases themselves. In early January they had limited travel from certain areas of China, were quarantining and testing arrivals and were advising against travel. They sent scientists to China and have since said, this very week, that their scientists weren’t shown everything, purposely and that they got the feeling the situation was less optimistic than presented.

Now taking all of this into consideration, a small island, that’s not even acknowledged as an independent state, certainly not by the WHO, at the very least thought there’s a huge risk of H2H and China were covering up the reality. At the most they had concrete proof.

They knew the severity of the situation in December.

You see Vic, Taiwan had to tread carefully in December and January, they couldn’t allow tensions to mount with China for no reason and they didn’t want to panic their population. You’re quoting their official line at the time but as ever, with every government both local and national, the official line isn’t necessarily what’s being discussed and this week has been revelation time.

Again, this is what was reported in the FT article:

Taiwan said its doctors had heard from mainland colleagues that medical staff were getting ill — a sign of human-to-human transmission. Taipei officials said they reported this to both International Health Regulations (IHR), a WHO framework for exchange of epidemic prevention and response data between 196 countries, and Chinese health authorities on December 31.

https://www.ft.com/content/2a70a02a-644a-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a68

So yes, they had good fucking reason to know.

 

[Vic]

Good Morning Britain not helping themselves by having some utter **** called Peter Hitchens on the show, busy blathering on about it being no worse than seasonal flu.

Maybe he’s a poster on here....

He gets well screwed in the first few minutes of Radio 4's "More or less" which looks at stats. It then goes on to wonder why men are more likely to die from C19 than women... https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000h7st

 

[andyhinch]

Apparently it is really tasty. Have you tried it?

Yeah, it’s very nice, much darker meat than pork

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Exactly.

They should have fucked him off, not good PR to have a **** like that in front of millions.

Not only is he a ****, but a lugubrious one too.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Disagree,were supposed to be a democratic society.
If he's wrong,and I think he is,his views should be debated and rebutted.

I disagree. Unfortunately, we have too many people across this country who aren’t capable of seeing through his nonsense, and consequently it helps no one in times like this.

 

[Vic]

Hitchens is a brilliant speaker and writer, he’s wrong on this occasion but he’s been right on so much.

He was absolutely hounded in 2003 for saying the Iraq War would turn into disaster.

Every so often someone, as a journalist, gets something wrong and he is on this occasion, but he’s written so good books and is often right.

Millions of us said the Iraq War would be a disaster. That doesn't make him Nostradamus. You shouldn't be paid for merely being "often right".

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The humans will get back to find every bit of grass dug up. These wild boar are a fucking menace in the forest of dean

Humans in the Forest of Dean are a strange bunch.