COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[blueparrot]

I think, outside of London, and most certainly in the NW, we are not doing too badly on the whole with the lockdown. Most people taking it seriously enough.

Not sure its much worse in London , it’s just there are many more people so more idiots, in a closer environment. Seems cases are falling in London and growing in the midlands so if it is a social distancing issue maybe the midlands is worse.

 

[journolud]

Maybe if some of the prisoners who are not a threat volunteer to help front line NHS,
maybe to help redeem themselves a little this could work on the parole or days /time done.
It could help like the guy on London bridge with the terrorist.

I might have it wrong though,I'll stick another lock on the door.

Picking fruit would be a better idea

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Mooted has to be one of the most misspelled words. Can anyone think of one that is more frequently misspelled?

Could of doesn’t count, but those people need to get in the bin too.

Misspelt?

Also when @birch villa says “ov” instead of “of”.

 

[give it to gordon]

Were I work we have told allotment holders what they can and cant do. It is all taken from the government guidelines ie, keep 2 meter gap, only the plot hold on their site no family gatherings, no bonfires or BBQS , the clubhouse and toilets are out of bounds. All government guidelines. The amount of complaints we have had from allotments holders is unbelievable, if it was down to me I would just close them asap. They just dont want to follow the governments guidelines.

 

[BlueHammer85]

How is the lockdown going in comparison to the UK? I keep getting newsfeed of people on parks and shit back home

I think Spain and Italy are being more stronger on the lockdown in areas which are being hit the hardest - we’re abit more relaxed over here but vast majority are abiding.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I know for a fact that NHS workers who visit Covid wards also come into contact with other NHS workers on non-Covid wards, the latter of which, aren’t given full PPE. The risk of cross contamination is extremely high.

There are some that have said the lack of PPE is ‘wealth over health’ but I think it’s more to do with pushing the herd immunity plan and our NHS workers, together with the more vulnerable in our society are being treated as cannon fodder.

You know,, you possibly could be onto something here.

I have totally dismissed herd immunity as any kind of viable strategy because to achieve the necessary density of infections across the entire population would mean 40m+ infected and the NHS totally overwhelmed and countless thousands of needless deaths due to lack of capacity.

However what I had not considered was the possibility of herd immunity only in certain sectors. Or even allowing 100% infection rates across certain sectors.

Now consider this: The overall death rate from COVID-19 is perhaps somewhere around the 1% mark. Of course the headline rate is much higher but we all know now that many, many more people are infected and not included in the figures. And the 1% is across all age groups and all levels of fitness and health. The rates amongst the young are much much lower. Like 0.2% of headline figures and even lower as a percentage of all infections. Let's say it's 0.1% for those under 60 fit and healthy. Still a shocking figure if 40m people get it.

But what about just across NHS workers? I don't know how many front line staff work in the NHS but let's guess at 500,000. Even if we allowed all of them to get infected, that might mean fewer than 500 deaths. Possibly far fewer than that. The NHS would continue to function pretty much as normal if it lost say 500 staff.

Of course the government could never admit that this was part of the thinking. But I am wondering. It seems incredible that we should have been prepared to spend hundreds of billions on bailing out people and businesses, build new hospitals in less than a fortnight, coordinate manufacturing of moderately complex ventilator equipment. Yet sfter many weeks, we still cannot supply enough face makes and plastic aprons. It really does make me wonder if something else is going on.

A bit conspiracy theory I know...

 

[blueparrot]

You know,, you possibly could be onto something here.

I have totally dismissed herd immunity as any kind of viable strategy because to achieve the necessary density of infections across the entire population would mean 40m+ infected and the NHS totally overwhelmed and countless thousands of needless deaths due to lack of capacity.

However what I had not considered was the possibility of herd immunity only in certain sectors. Or even allowing 100% infection rates across certain sectors.

Now consider this: The overall death rate from COVID-19 is perhaps somewhere around the 1% mark. Of course the headline rate is much higher but we all know now that many, many more people are infected and not included in the figures. And the 1% is across all age groups and all levels of fitness and health. The rates amongst the young are much much lower. Like 0.2% of headline figures and even lower as a percentage of all infections. Let's say it's 0.1% for those under 60 fit and healthy. Still a shocking figure if 40m people get it.

But what about just across NHS workers? I don't know how many front line staff work in the NHS but let's guess at 500,000. Even if we allowed all of them to get infected, that might mean fewer than 500 deaths. Possibly far fewer than that. The NHS would continue to function pretty much as normal if it lost say 500 staff.

Of course the government could never admit that this was part of the thinking. But I am wondering. It seems incredible that we should have been prepared to spend hundreds of billions on bailing out people and businesses, build new hospitals in less than a fortnight, coordinate manufacturing of moderately complex ventilator equipment. Yet sfter many weeks, we still cannot supply enough face makes and plastic aprons. It really does make me wonder if something else is going on.

A bit conspiracy theory I know...

No, in my daughters hospital the rules are very strict, the hospital is virtually split in 2,red zones and green zones, all staff rotation has stopped, she was due to another department rotate this month. No ppe clothing or equipment leaves the covid areas. Contamination amongst staff will no doubt happen but it’s no way any sort of policy, and measures are taken to avoid at all costs.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

To all those going out ignoring government advice today "HAPPY INFECT YOUR AT RISK FRIENDS AND FAMILY DAY" selfish twats

The suns out today and a four day weekend next weekend, then add to that two bank holidays in May. Should the government move the bank holidays back to later in the year to stop giving people an excuse to mingle?

 

[meltonblue]

To all those going out ignoring government advice today "HAPPY INFECT YOUR AT RISK FRIENDS AND FAMILY DAY" selfish twats

My next door neighbour (single thirty year old bloke living in a pretty big house) had a few people round last night for a party, could hear them in his back garden til about two in the morning.

Normally, I’m angry anyway due to how loud they are. Last night and today I was and still am absolutely livid though, I can’t believe anyone is doing that.

I’m now sat wondering whether to go round and have a go at him or to keep practicing social distancing and spend the day sitting in my back garden and throwing eggs at his house...

 

[Chippy_boy]

No, in my daughters hospital the rules are very strict, the hospital is virtually split in 2,red zones and green zones, all staff rotation has stopped, she was due to another department rotate this month. No ppe clothing or equipment leaves the covid areas. Contamination amongst staff will no doubt happen but it’s no way any sort of policy, and measures are taken to avoid at all costs.

I'm sure that's true at grass roots levels. It would be way too "conspiracy theory" to imagine there is a grand plan to let 500 NHS staff due and that every hospital is secretly in on it. No.