COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

England hospital patients up 161 in day to 2944

England ventilator patients up in the day by 27 to 376. That is the highest daily rise in months.

Number of admissions down on yesterday and cases might well be levelling off as described by the ONS and the Covid symptom tracker, which is better news.

 

[shemnel]

So professional sport continues yet the lads in the park can’t. Like I said earlier utter fucking joke.

First of all, the professional band are supposed to be living in the "football Bubble" where they have regular tests and as people who do not need to take public transport, or go to a day job, this should be enough to be as safe as possible. Unlike 22 people who haven't followed any kind of shielding. I mean its a simple but effective theory, but its way safer than allowing hundreds of games and mixing every week. No mad tin foil theory behind it.

As for education not being as important as going for a pint ? well im not sure where to start on that. Send all the kids home ? thats not going to damage the economy at all

just my own experience: football and team sports continue up and down the country at all levels, not just professionally. I play in a local league, how? because i agreed that they have a risk assessment in place and that they have done covid safe systems. That, i can assure you, is fucking rat shit. I now know that groups can play football as long as they adhere to the same risk assessment and track and trace responsibilities as affiliated league teams have to.

there is loads, and i mean loads, of team sports continuing that are not professional.

 

[hilts]

It sure is.

I don't think they consider the knock on effect in any of their decision making. Winter is a more depressing time of year, yet they're creating a situation where an entire industry is out of work, while others are supposed to work but with no reward at the end of the week as they can't do anything. As stress levels increase it'll just result in people visiting family/friends at home for food/drinks which completely defeats the object.

In good news from Scotland though a latte at 1755 prevents you getting the virus it’s called the Nescafé antidote. Stops working at 1801 though.

It’s similar to the Stella antidote but that stops working in England at 2201 and doesn’t work at all in Scotland.

 

[inchy14]

just my own experience: football and team sports continue up and down the country at all levels, not just professionally. I play in a local league, how? because i agreed that they have a risk assessment in place and that they have done covid safe systems. That, i can assure you, is fucking rat shit. I now know that groups can play football as long as they adhere to the same risk assessment and track and trace responsibilities as affiliated league teams have to.

there is loads, and i mean loads, of team sports continuing that are not professional.

And I think they should mate, it’s Scotland today who have announced none professional sport has gone on hold yet the professional game continues I have an issue with.

 

[ganganvince]

No he just exempted people who needed no proof, in effect he made it voluntary because well he is a dick.

Ah will buy into that, mask or exemption certificate or no admittance.

 

[Healdplace]

Regional hospital patient data:

London up in day from 306 to 336 (7 days ago 266) Vent down 60 to 59 (7 days ago was 48)

Midlands up in day from 464 to 484 (7 days ago was 349) Vent up 71 to 77 (7 days ago was 57)

Yorks up in day 723 to 772 (7 days ago was 471) Vent up 81 to 94 (7 days ago 65)

And North West

up in day 996 to 1030 (7 days ago was 660) Vent up 108 to 115 (7 dsys ago was 91).

So Yorkshire had a worse day than NW in these stats but NW is first region to top 1000 covid patients again.

In the UK there are over 3200 in hospital and 415 on ventilators.

 

[shemnel]

Agreed. Wear a mask, wash your hands a lot, keep your distance, and all's good. None of that happens in a crowded pub.

i feel a lot safer in a pub than a supermarket at the moment, bloody feral in them food shops!

also, im probably shielded from the realities of the world, but i have yet to be in a packed pub as youre not allowed to stand and theyve removed some tables as well.

 

[shemnel]

And I think they should mate, it’s Scotland today who have announced none professional sport has gone on hold yet the professional game continues I have an issue with.

got it, i suppose i was just commenting on sport. dunno why.

 

[kaz7]

Might be time for me to veer off this thread for a while.
I've been hanging on this year anyway, cognisant I have to remain in positives spirits.
This applies to lots of course, but with a bit of a backlog of personal stuff CV19 has really well and truly smashed the back doors in on ones well being.
I've changed a fair bit over the past year or two (and have posted about this) and I sometimes allow a pat on my back for remaining strong (and everything has emboldened my resolve) but there are moments when it feels exhausting.

Trouble is there's literally no public figure, govt figure or scientist to look up to and feel secure about the future.
At the moment the wheels look like they're literally about to fall off.

Dr Fauci in the US

 

[Healdplace]

Regional scoreboard:

London 1310 - up from 916. A 50% increase to its highest number apart from the add on days. And first time over 1000 apart from those inflated days.

Midlands 928 - down from 1059 - but only small fall of about 12%

Yorkshire 1655 - down from 2437 - a fall of about a third. Biggest % drop of the day.

And North West:

3555 - down from 4441 - largest numbers fall but a much smaller % fall today than Yorkshire of about 20%

 

[Healdplace]

GM total today is down from 1889 to 1542.

So 1542 out of 3555 in NW fractionally over 43% versus yesterdays 1889 our of 4441 which was fractionally under 43% - so no real change in the contribution to either the NW or UK numbers.

 

[blueparrot]

One of the ministers made a good point and said rather than shut the lot, why not focus on those not following the rules. Surely that would be more common sense and sustainable long term.

Yes it would, how? It would take hundreds of police / environmental health staff going around every pub, restaurant at regular intervals checking and enforcing. Mostly at night when staffing levels are already reduced, and they have their regular duties.
They are already doing what enforcement they can.

 

[blueparrot]

In good news from Scotland though a latte at 1755 prevents you getting the virus it’s called the Nescafé antidote. Stops working at 1801 though.

It’s similar to the Stella antidote but that stops working in England at 2201 and doesn’t work at all in Scotland.

Would that because the rules are about behaviour patterns not, the time or the drink?

 

[Healdplace]

Main highlights: More evidence of a coming together in the middle of all the boroughs with again other than Manchester nobody under 100 or over 200. And no real good or bad places. Much of a muchness.

Seemingly the one thing the two months of restrictions have achieved is making the bad places better and the better places worse in such a way that they all seem pretty much in the muddle now.

The new normal as I said yesterday.

Not sure if that was the intention but the net result is really not much change to the overall pictyre other than more tests do more cases in total for weeks - as the Manchester numbers have been artificially driving them up almost certainly student related.

And Manchester is well down today at 363 - lowest in several days.

indeed Liverpool at 430 cases today easily was the highest today.

for comparison other big scorers Birmingham had 295 and Bradford 181.

Leicester had just 51 and is not showing any sign of getting near where it was in June when put into restrictions. Though that is a little up on where it was a couple of months ago.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Unfortunately, there has been a surge in Covid admissions to hospital in Liverpool. More patients will follow when they get replacement wheels for their cars

Even their trollies are up on bricks

 

[Healdplace]

The big GM news is that Leicester having control of its outbreak once again its numbers defying the general pattern means that its Pop Score only rose to 2133.

Blackburn who looked certain to catch it a few weeks ago has also been having by its standards a better spell and had 81 cases today so only went up to 2114.

So sadly the new worst town in the whole UK as the Pop Score measures across the full pandemic today moved home to Greater Manchester.

See below.

 

[sniff]

They ain’t getting much in the way of education though are they, I am in a position where I see people’s behaviour everyday and the affect on schools. Kids have been going in then getting calls telling them to isolate on the way to school , or the whole year should stay at home.
They pile on buses with masks until it sets off and then they take them off and do what kids do. Uni students paying for half an education.

Education is fucked suspend it for a year. If we are happy for it to spread then let parents decide if they should go to school. Use the time for catching up and outdoor sports.

Pensioners travel around for the sake of it, they wander on without masks then put them on during the trip. Half of them not covering their noses, they sit right next to each other meanwhile asthma family and neighbours happily breath over everyone.

The answer to this? Stop a couple sitting on a table in a pub, put people out of work and close business down. Magic.

My point being. If all the kids are off school. Then what do the parents do with them all day. Its all well saying close the schools. But that would be missing the massive point of child care ? How would you get parents into work ? So you have two options. You allow them in schools, that will push the infection rates up, as would any indoor gatherings. So you need to find the balance, and at the moment going for a pint is the obvious one, since we are all keen to get the economic issues sorted. This would allow more industry to stay open. It fucks the hospitality industry, bit what are the alternatives.

Where have I said anything about education???
As for the first part of your reply, Kyle Walker, Phil Foden and a few others say hello.

Of course. Out of all the European football taking place, you pick a few examples. Unfortunately society is full of selfish people. But I assume you would throw the baby out with the bathwater as well ?? Or should it be free reign because one broke the rules ? It makes no sense. As it is a full sat and Sunday amateur league would cause further infections. How could it possible not ?

 

[i8rags]

I have a different view to most on this, I view it as an invasion and as such we’re at war, fuck pubs, fuck football etc, fight it at all costs and then rebuild whatever is possible, during real wars it was way way harder than this and rebuild we did.
Can you imagine a forum on a world war, debating every decision made like we do on here. Never going to please everyone even if every decision was right.
We’re hardly running to the bunkers and eating powdered egg whilst our teenage sons get blown to pieces, but it’s an attack which in the end could prove devastating.

 

[inchy14]

My point being. If all the kids are off school. Then what do the parents do with them all day. Its all well saying close the schools. But that would be missing the massive point of child care ? How would you get parents into work ? So you have two options. You allow them in schools, that will push the infection rates up, as would any indoor gatherings. So you need to find the balance, and at the moment going for a pint is the obvious one, since we are all keen to get the economic issues sorted. This would allow more industry to stay open. It fucks the hospitality industry, bit what are the alternatives.


Of course. Out of all the European football taking place, you pick a few examples. Unfortunately society is full of selfish people. But I assume you would throw the baby out with the bathwater as well ?? Or should it be free reign because one broke the rules ? It makes no sense. As it is a full sat and Sunday amateur league would cause further infections. How could it possible not ?

No what I would do is let the lot go ahead, stopping the lads in the park won’t help them keep fit or help their mental well-being in the long run. It’s either all or nothing for me, not picking and choosing who can play or can’t. What’s next, only under 16’s can play but not adults. It’s just all bollocks.

 

[True_Blue69]

Yes it would, how? It would take hundreds of police / environmental health staff going around every pub, restaurant at regular intervals checking and enforcing. Mostly at night when staffing levels are already reduced, and they have their regular duties.
They are already doing what enforcement they can.

Well the other option is shut them all down for 6 months, if you think they are going to go back to normal in 2 weeks you've got another thing coming. Once somewhere gets caught once closer it down for 4 weeks. Would soon stop then breaking the rules. The police are already going round pubs around South Manchester checking so they're already doing this.