COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[St.Pauli support]

You think this virus is only affecting UK?There are lots of countries whose governments clueless or not are struggling with the virus. France and Germany are having to re-think their policies.
As far as I am aware none of any of these countries around the world have blamed our government.

I wouldn't say Germany is re-thinking its policy.
The partly lockdown is simply a reaction to rising infection numbers
hoping it's early enough to get back in front of the wave.
Without a vaccine we feel there is no alternative (for our case, in respect of financial scope).
I'm sure we would repeat that at a later point, and if necessary we would even go for a full lockdown (what nobody wants) to avoid a hospital drama.

 

[BlueAnorak]

A room, a bar and a classroom: how the coronavirus is spread through the air

The risk of contagion is highest in indoor spaces but can be reduced by applying all available measures to combat infection via aerosols. Here is an overview of the likelihood of infection in three everyday scenarios, based on the safety measures used and the length of exposure

english.elpais.com

Brilliant article. Absolutely spot on. The message needs to be on adverts everywhere!

 

[WNRH]

A room, a bar and a classroom: how the coronavirus is spread through the air

The risk of contagion is highest in indoor spaces but can be reduced by applying all available measures to combat infection via aerosols. Here is an overview of the likelihood of infection in three everyday scenarios, based on the safety measures used and the length of exposure

english.elpais.com

Really good way of explaining that.

Do we know if students are wearing masks in lessons and if windows are open?

 

[cleavers]

A room, a bar and a classroom: how the coronavirus is spread through the air

The risk of contagion is highest in indoor spaces but can be reduced by applying all available measures to combat infection via aerosols. Here is an overview of the likelihood of infection in three everyday scenarios, based on the safety measures used and the length of exposure

english.elpais.com

That's a really informative article and shows why ventilating your house/office/space, even in colder weather is important.

 

[artfuldodger]

A room, a bar and a classroom: how the coronavirus is spread through the air

The risk of contagion is highest in indoor spaces but can be reduced by applying all available measures to combat infection via aerosols. Here is an overview of the likelihood of infection in three everyday scenarios, based on the safety measures used and the length of exposure

english.elpais.com

The time spent in a bar bit is interesting. I wonder if that’s why many pubs are now limiting punters to 2 hour slots?

 

[platty7]

Really good way of explaining that.

Do we know if students are wearing masks in lessons and if windows are open?

The primary I work at students do not wear masks, but all the rooms have the windows open all day

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

doing all they can not to let Hospitals overfill, it’s the toughest balancing act with trying to keep the economy going - as much as I would love to pin it all on Boris, the whole of Europe and most of the world is in

Coronavirus doctor's diary: 'Our hospital could soon be overwhelmed'

Dr John Wright and two consultants describe the immense pressure Bradford Royal Infirmary is coming under.

www.bbc.co.uk

This sums up where we are. Very close to bursting point. Tired doctors and nurses, many of whom are off sick themselves. It sounds to me like they need some help so the government has to help. People need to stop fucking ignoring the rules, trying to find loopholes. Ultimately, if someone who has been careless wants a bed, there may not be one. Worse still there may not be one for the person who had been compliant but the beds are full of people who haven’t been.

 

[trumpton]

It's odd how London with its population, tube travel etc, all the protests have managed to have less than half the number of reported cases than we have in the NW. I wonder if it's because they had it worse to start with and since train / tube travel is well down there are fewer interactions compared to the morons who inhabit the NW. Strange anomaly.

Because the true figures are probably being deliberately under reported.

 

[Aphex]

Me, my mum and dad did the test on Wednesday. Theirs have come back positive in emails tonight. I'm still waiting on mine. Felt rough this week - backache and tiredness but 'cold' symptoms. Everyone seems to be on the mend. If it's case that we all together have it, I hope there is no escalation from this point.

 

[mancity1]

Not in the UK cos masks aren’t needed in schools bruv according to the cunts that run this country.

To reduce the spread of the virus through human contact you have to wear a surgically designed mask of the M95 variety but even then its difficult to stop the spread in many health settings , like hospitals , nursing homes , disability centres etc where close contact is required.

The predominately cotton masks we are being given to use because of the relatively low cost be they single use or disposable are of little or no use to either stop the spread once you have it and assist in your recovery in fact the evidence coming in is that regularly mask wear can have detrimental for your resp system , mental health , digestive system , and even your neurological system.

I would recommend you get rapid testing in work settings on a regular basis and use them in confined spaces if you suffer form bad breath other than that they are a waste of money.

Will be interesting once all is said and done if Sweden's liberal approach to heard immunity was the best response.

There death rate has fallen significantly and if they closed their borders to over seas travellers and had of quarantined the sick and elderly especially in nursing homes from the outset they would likely to have numbers commensurate with Taiwan.

Lockdowns don't work to reduce the numbers in the short , medium and longer term look at Peru.

Once you open up it only means spikes and waves increase in intensity but maybe death rates reduce.

You have to have a contact tracing system that works to quarantine and isolate close contacts while letting the rest getting on with their lives its pretty simple.

You will always have outbreaks , the public service in many countries are pretty poor in responding to pandemics due to lack of financial risk and incentive for the them to excel in any health response.

The front liners do some great work but they are spreaders for obvious reasons and because they engage with family and community are the highest risk to the spread.

 

[Mike Cledford]

I wouldn't say Germany is re-thinking its policy.
The partly lockdown is simply a reaction to rising infection numbers
hoping it's early enough to get back in front of the wave.
Without a vaccine we feel there is no 4alternative (for our case, in respect of financial scope).
I'm sure we would repeat that at a later point, and if necessary we would even go for a full lockdown (what nobody wants) to avoid a hospital drama.

Thanks for that. I listened to a piece on the radio whilst driving so it was difficult for me to take in exactly what exactly was being discussed. The message was clear though that this disease is increasing and no one is sure what to do.

 

[JASR]

To reduce the spread of the virus through human contact you have to wear a surgically designed mask of the M95 variety but even then its difficult to stop the spread in many health settings , like hospitals , nursing homes , disability centres etc where close contact is required.

The predominately cotton masks we are being given to use because of the relatively low cost be they single use or disposable are of little or no use to either stop the spread once you have it and assist in your recovery in fact the evidence coming in is that regularly mask wear can have detrimental for your resp system , mental health , digestive system , and even your neurological system.

The ‘go to’ countries all recommend the wearing of face masks in generally social enclosed or confined situations and especially when you are likely to be infectious yourself.

Sweden: https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se...sweden/communicable-disease-control/covid-19/

Norway:

Recommendations about face masks

In situations where it is impossible to keep a distance of 1 metre from others, face masks are recommended as an additional measure to prevent infection from people with COVID-19 without symptoms.

www.fhi.no

Denmark:

Face masks

When used correctly, wearing a face mask can supplement other infection prevention measure. Always carry a face mask and hand sanitiser with you, so you put one on when needed. And keep up to date on where you are required by law to wear a face mask or a visor.

www.sst.dk

Finland:

Recommendation on the use of face masks for citizens - Infectious diseases and vaccinations - THL

thl.fi

I would recommend you get rapid testing in work settings on a regular basis and use them in confined spaces if you suffer form bad breath other than that they are a waste of money.

Rapid tests are a waste of money? Why, it means the person doesn’t have to self-isolate as long - if negative?

Will be interesting once all is said and done if Sweden's liberal approach to heard immunity was the best response.

There deaths per capita is better than Belgium, U.K., Italy, Spain, but not France.
Also they are a very different country to the above. So you cannot compare directly.

There death rate has fallen significantly and if they closed their borders to over seas travellers and had of quarantined the sick and elderly especially in nursing homes from the outset they would likely to have numbers commensurate with Taiwan.

As with almost all Western European countries, the death rate in Sweden reduced up to the summer as cross country movement had effectively stopped. the recent increase in cases will be interesting to see the figures for deaths in about a month.

taiwan, NZ and other island nations (not U.K. ...) got it exactly right - lock your borders - they live normally, with full enforced quarantine for returnees.

Lockdowns don't work to reduce the numbers in the short , medium and longer term look at Peru.

Peru is very different (in many ways) to U.K. /some other European countries.
Generally South America is really bad, but you can’t compare to U.K.
The ‘worst’ country now and in 1st wave, is Belgium.

Once you open up it only means spikes and waves increase in intensity but maybe death rates reduce.

You have to have a contact tracing system that works to quarantine and isolate close contacts while letting the rest getting on with their lives its pretty simple.

Only of U.K. locks its borders for incoming foreigners, And any returnees are quarantined in set aside hotels.

You will always have outbreaks , the public service in many countries are pretty poor in responding to pandemics due to lack of financial risk and incentive for the them to excel in any health response.

Which would surely indicate that education, and obeying guidelines on reducing infection are the way forward?

The front liners do some great work but they are spreaders for obvious reasons and because they engage with family and community are the highest risk to the spread.

Which again indicates that the rest of the population should be doing as much as it can to stop the spread, so that they arent dying/collapsing themselves?

Coronavirus doctor's diary: 'Our hospital could soon be overwhelmed'

Dr John Wright and two consultants describe the immense pressure Bradford Royal Infirmary is coming under.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Marvin]

It's odd how London with its population, tube travel etc, all the protests have managed to have less than half the number of reported cases than we have in the NW. I wonder if it's because they had it worse to start with and since train / tube travel is well down there are fewer interactions compared to the morons who inhabit the NW. Strange anomaly.

Immunity?

 

[toffee balls]

Immunity?

No, they have mostly worked from home and continue to do so.

 

[Marvin]

That's a really informative article and shows why ventilating your house/office/space, even in colder weather is important.

To reduce the spread of the virus through human contact you have to wear a surgically designed mask of the M95 variety but even then its difficult to stop the spread in many health settings , like hospitals , nursing homes , disability centres etc where close contact is required.

The predominately cotton masks we are being given to use because of the relatively low cost be they single use or disposable are of little or no use to either stop the spread once you have it and assist in your recovery in fact the evidence coming in is that regularly mask wear can have detrimental for your resp system , mental health , digestive system , and even your neurological system.

I would recommend you get rapid testing in work settings on a regular basis and use them in confined spaces if you suffer form bad breath other than that they are a waste of money.

Will be interesting once all is said and done if Sweden's liberal approach to heard immunity was the best response.

There death rate has fallen significantly and if they closed their borders to over seas travellers and had of quarantined the sick and elderly especially in nursing homes from the outset they would likely to have numbers commensurate with Taiwan.

Lockdowns don't work to reduce the numbers in the short , medium and longer term look at Peru.

Once you open up it only means spikes and waves increase in intensity but maybe death rates reduce.

You have to have a contact tracing system that works to quarantine and isolate close contacts while letting the rest getting on with their lives its pretty simple.

You will always have outbreaks , the public service in many countries are pretty poor in responding to pandemics due to lack of financial risk and incentive for the them to excel in any health response.

The front liners do some great work but they are spreaders for obvious reasons and because they engage with family and community are the highest risk to the spread.

Viral particles will pass through most fabrics but in theory masks should counter forcible exhalation which is a factor in forming aerosol.

Social interaction influences the rate of transmission for obvious reasons but imagine there was no medicine. Then a herd immunity solution would be all we had, and social control would be a valve that controls the infection rate whilst the vulnerable are shielding. That's how the Western world approached this infection and then the vaccines came on the scene and they became the objective.

Immunity is the end game. The objective is to get there asap whilst minimising death. In the last 24 hours both Moderna and Pfizer have said they expect to be able to unblind their vaccine trials in November. That doesn't mean that we will have effective vaccines by December but it is reasonable to hope so, and then we can hope that the vulnerable will no longer be so vulnerable and that will be our way out.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

2021 will be a write off
Hope I'm wrong

When did 2021 become forever?

 

[Nightmare Walking]

When did 2021 become forever?

Has no one told you about the comet that has been diverted into our path by Jupiters gravity?
We're trying to get hold of Will Smith, but he's hiding out in his doomsday bunker.

 

[Marvin]

No, they have mostly worked from home and continue to do so.

And yet that didn't work in wave 1 when London was the worst affected UK region. Limited immunity has depressed the spread. That's not to say that London wont have a problem going forward because they have so many other things going against them.

In order to explain the difference in London between wave 1 and wave 2 your theory has to explain the difference between wave 1 and 2. home working doesnt do it. I suspect the lockdown in wve 1 was far more effective than it is now as people were genuinely frightened then.

 

[give it to gordon]

Sure this has been asked before so sorry for that !

Workmates gf mother and father have tested positive, his gf is showing signs and not been well and is awaiting results. He has been staying at their home and has been told to self isolate and get tested.

Our boss has told us to get tested even though showing no signs. I thought we had to wait to see what our work mates result was first. As we have been told to carry on working. I have been told to self isolate until we know his results due to me having a minor operation on my head which needed about 20 stitches just over 2 weeks ago, not sure what difference that makes.

Should we try and book a test or wait for his results first ?

Thanks

 

[inbetween]

Sure this has been asked before so sorry for that !

Workmates gf mother and father have tested positive, his gf is showing signs and not been well and is awaiting results. He has been staying at their home and has been told to self isolate and get tested.

Our boss has told us to get tested even though showing no signs. I thought we had to wait to see what our work mates result was first. As we have been told to carry on working. I have been told to self isolate until we know his results due to me having a minor operation on my head which needed about 20 stitches just over 2 weeks ago, not sure what difference that makes.

Should we try and book a test or wait for his results first ?

Thanks

Even if your work mates test positive, without symptoms I don't think you can get a test for close contact with anyone outside of your household.

If your boss is telling you to self isolate then I'd do so but wait to see if your work mates do test positive, if they do then ring 111 and explain the situation and they might be able to book you in for a test.

Order COVID-19 rapid lateral flow tests

You can no longer order free PCR tests from the NHS.

www.gov.uk