COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Tim of the Oak]

Huge demographic of Nursing staff in that bracket who are always going to be susceptible unfortunately.

Yep and there could be plenty of teachers as well as hospitality workers, cleaners etc

 

[BlueAnorak]

Presume it’ll just be keeping schools open and anyone who can’t work from home to still go to work. All hospitality and non-essential retail to shut.

So not a lockdown then.
Schools are where most new case spreading is happening and spreading to their families when older children get home.
Chance of success as Wales and NI is proving = Zero

 

[Blue Maverick]

I came to the conclusion some years ago that as a country, we are fundamentally quite unpleasant actually. Of course we have our good points but there are far, far, far too many utter wankers in our society. We are in large proportion, self-centred, arrogant, rebellious and basically not very nice. Witnessing the countless scenes of mass non-compliance with Covid restrictions, only goes to illustrate the point. It's like it's in our genes to resent authority, to be non-compliant and to ignore rules. It's almost as if it's what defines us as being British.

Which is why I find it so difficult to understand our government's approach, which when compared to that of other countries, can only be described as "let's ask the public nicely if they would be kind enough to do X". OF COURSE this was never going to work.

Other countries have FAR tighter restrictions, and critically, enforcement and punishment. And whilst us Brits seem to want our freedoms more than most, and therefore the government has been loathed to be too Draconian, ironically we need more Draconian measures not less, because of what we are like. More policing (augmented by the army where we don't have enough numbers), stronger policing - none of this softly softly "have a word" bollocks - MUCH bigger fines and even custodial sentences for the worst cases of rule-breaking.

Should we have water canon out on the late night revellers? Of course we should. The rave over the summer near me in Bath was allowed to continue because the police felt there were too many people and they couldn't do much to stop it. What a disgrace. They should have pulled the plug out and arrested the DJ and the organisers. And if they didn't have enough police, mobilise back ups, including the army if needed.

If people want to act like tossers, I am sorry but we have to treat them like tossers. It's not like this is a bit of a laugh. Thousands of lives are at stake and I think the enforcement and punishments are in that context a complete joke.

Sadly all true, and for those who think otherwise generally don’t have dealing with the general public as a whole, over the last 10 years I’ve seen a huge decline and the “fuck you” society has grown, their children are now doing the same. A second full lockdown is coming and got all those genuine hard working business who have tried to do the right thing will cease to exist. Then the self entitled twats will be up in arms when they can’t go to their gyms or drink themselves into a coma.
Fuck the lot of them, enforcement and I mean hard full on with massive punishment needs doing but sadly it won’t happen and we will stumble into the next Great Depression and with this generation of selfish twats it will be a long one.

 

[Blue Maverick]

How many students leaving school go on to that form of employment? And those students that do, how many don't have to re-learn what Pi is for a qualification specific for that form of employment? Both answers will be a very tiny %.

Meanwhile millions of students leave school not knowing anything about calorie intake or what an overdraft/interest rates are or how to conduct a letter/email because too much time is spent learning about elements of subjects that don't have any affect on their future life.

That’s been going on since I was a school 40 years ago, life skills should be at the forefront of education. The internet and access to be things have changed things tremendously yet the core way of learning doesn’t seem to have, the three Rs are fundamentals, be literate and the rest will come, co signs etc in math fucking pointless, learn about overdrafts, credit cards etc

 

[city saint]

So not a lockdown then.
Schools are where most new case spreading is happening and spreading to their families when older children get home.
Chance of success as Wales and NI is proving = Zero

i dont know how a lockdown really differs much from tier 3 if kids are going to school and people go to work etc.it just means pubs restraunts and non essential shops shut,its the schools and workplaces its being spread so not sure how it will help.

 

[Ric]

So not a lockdown then.
Schools are where most new case spreading is happening and spreading to their families when older children get home.
Chance of success as Wales and NI is proving = Zero

Yeah, I understand the reluctance to disrupt kids’ education further, but for any lockdown to be truly effective it needs to be full i.e. closing all schools, universities and workplaces.

 

[Northernstorirs]

A lot of rule breakers (who tend to be the younger generation) have caused this lockdown. The same entitled dickheads will wonder this time next year why they can't get a decent job.

 

[artfuldodger]

Expect many more high street shops and gyms to now go under just so we can save Xmas. Would love to know how none ssential small businesses and gyms are contributing to the spread and the rationale behind closing these businesses.

I hope any measures he brings in are not purely about saving Christmas. Its one day of the year.

 

[mosssideblue]

I get your point. Maybe parents need more input about life skills etc but are too busy watching shite on tv to be bothered about setting their kids on the right road. Medical centers are packed with info on diet and healthy living. Maybe the slack parents could pick some up on their next visit.Burgers chips and beans for loads of kids tonight. I'll leave things there.

I don't know for sure, but I strongly suspect the UK now has a larger percentage of parents who rely on ready meals or takeaways, rather than cook meals from raw ingredients to feed the family. The art of cooking healthy foods from scratch is withering on the vine sadly imo.

 

[SiMCFC]

Yeah, I understand the reluctance to disrupt kids’ education further, but for any lockdown to be truly effective it needs to be full i.e. closing all schools, universities and workplaces.

How though? Can you list every job and industry which you think the Government should say is ok to continue to stay open because ultimately whichever they choose people will say but that industry needs to remain open and so on and will then get slated from both sides. I'd be happy as shit if I knew my Son and Wife were safe at Home but they can't. Overly simplistic statements are easy to make but they won't/cant work in reality mate.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I could understand a full lockdown if it was to stop deaths whilst we get the vaccine which they announce is ready so that’s why It’s needed.

but if this to stop Covid deaths then it won’t . It never worked last time and it won’t work this time.

all this does is delay transmission. so you lockdown in November and come out in December and do people think the virus will have gone? Of course not it will still be there and the virus transmission starts again.

 

[Northernstorirs]

I hope any measures he brings in are not purely about saving Christmas. Its one day of the year.

Sadly when weighing up options Boris tends to consider the impact towards votes at the next election. This is set up so he can lift lockdown in time for Xmas and be the saviour. Sod Xmas, I'd rather we save jobs and the economy.

 

[Tricky_Trev]

Expect many more high street shops and gyms to now go under just so we can save Xmas. Would love to know how none ssential small businesses and gyms are contributing to the spread and the rationale behind closing these businesses.

I’m sorry but if they allow people to cram into their relatives houses this Christmas, or give fluffy restrictions that people have no issue flouting, then they are more murderous than I thought. People shouldn’t need telling that christmas (as we know it) is cancelled this year. But they do need telling.

 

[Ric]

How though? Can you list every job and industry which you think the Government should say is ok to continue to stay open because ultimately whichever they choose people will say but that industry needs to remain open and so on and will then get slated from both sides. I'd be happy as shit if I knew my Son and Wife were safe at Home but they can't. Overly simplistic statements are easy to make but they won't/cant work in reality mate.

No, I agree mate. Any complete lockdown, in the truest sense of the word, would be incredibly difficult to implement. It’s a fine balancing act between public health and the economy, and I don’t envy those having to make those calls. Closing schools and universities is probably an easier decision though.

 

[blue12]

How though? Can you list every job and industry which you think the Government should say is ok to continue to stay open because ultimately whichever they choose people will say but that industry needs to remain open and so on and will then get slated from both sides. I'd be happy as shit if I knew my Son and Wife were safe at Home but they can't. Overly simplistic statements are easy to make but they won't/cant work in reality mate.

Until all of this happens it’s not a lockdown. Half arsed at best and seems just to be made up as we go along. To be honest kids aren’t getting the education they would get under normal circumstances anyway as the amount of cover being brought in to cover absences is ridiculous . I don’t teach but I have to cover at least one hour a day and the work set is either nothing, worksheet or word search, it’s appalling really. My daughter will lose her job if this attempted lockdown comes to fruition this week yet she works with one other person in a shop which will be told to close. What’s safer that or a classroom with 30+ kids ?
Just don’t understand how they gone to the decisions to close certain things and not others.

 

[mexico1970]

I could understand a full lockdown if it was to stop deaths whilst we get the vaccine which they announce is ready so that’s why It’s needed.

but if this to stop Covid deaths then it won’t . It never worked last time and it won’t work this time.

all this does is delay transmission. so you lockdown in November and come out in December and do people think the virus will have gone? Of course not it will still be there and the virus transmission starts again.

The theory is that they are trying to stop the NHS being overwhelmed. I don't know if this is a good strategy and I can't think of a better one.

 

[mosssideblue]

I could understand a full lockdown if it was to stop deaths whilst we get the vaccine which they announce is ready so that’s why It’s needed.

but if this to stop Covid deaths then it won’t . It never worked last time and it won’t work this time.

all this does is delay transmission. so you lockdown in November and come out in December and do people think the virus will have gone? Of course not it will still be there and the virus transmission starts again.

I think that depends on your expectations of what the lockdown is for. I see it primarily to give the hospitals some urgently needed wiggle room as we approach the busy winter period.

I think everyone knows it wont eradicate the virus, but it will slow things down

 

[Scottyboi]

I don't know for sure, but I strongly suspect the UK now has a larger percentage of parents who rely on ready meals or takeaways, rather than cook meals from raw ingredients to feed the family. The art of cooking healthy foods from scratch is withering on the vine sadly imo.

Winter is coming keep your fat on you.

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

How many students leaving school go on to that form of employment? And those students that do, how many don't have to re-learn what Pi is for a qualification specific for that form of employment? Both answers will be a very tiny %.

Meanwhile millions of students leave school not knowing anything about calorie intake or what an overdraft/interest rates are or how to conduct a letter/email because too much time is spent learning about elements of subjects that don't have any affect on their future life.

How many students go on to buy a house, the biggest financial decision in their life. Most will take out a repayment mortgage. The repayments are based on the sum to n terms of a geometric series. A good example of basic maths learned at school and applied in real life.

The basics must be learned first. Pi is pretty basic....its only a ratio !

 

[Northernstorirs]

I’m sorry but if they allow people to cram into their relatives houses this Christmas, or give fluffy restrictions that people have no issue flouting, then they are more murderous than I thought. People shouldn’t need telling that christmas (as we know it) is cancelled this year. But they do need telling.

I agree. If businesses/working people are to make these sacrifices then it needs to be for a cause that reduces deaths and infection rate to allow for a strong recovery in the new year. It shouldn't be made so families can have a jolly contributing to increased infections.