COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[WNRH]

What's the 4th paragraph about? You can't teach "stuff" until you understand the basics, moron

I have no clue what you are pointing out, and kudos for the insult as well.

 

[Dr Dweeb]

You assume that everyone is as intelligent as yourself or enjoys having a thirst for knowledge. There is too much crap taught at schools, the whole of education is a mess.

He is right, students should be taught about food, more physical exercise, basic arithmetic without a calculator, how to conduct letters, emails, how to spell! They should be taught about finance how it all works in the real world.

No one needs to know about some war in the 1800's, or how rocks erode over time or what pi is. If you do, there's the internet at the touch of a button to explore. I could not stand history at school, it was boring, now you will find me watching all sorts of videos online about all kinds of events.

One thing i will never understand is that everyone has their own unique body, it will never leave you and you can never replace it and yet 99% of people would not know apart from the main organs what is inside their body or how it works.

How many people know what flu is? I would imagine most would say it's a virus you get in the winter that knocks you out for a few days. But how many know what actually happens and why? And how many know why the medicine we take and what's in it makes us better and recover from it? This is the stuff that should be taught in schools not half the crap that is currently on the curriculum.

Pi is one of the most important numbers in maths and geometry calculations. 3.1416 will do for the basic stuff.

 

[WNRH]

Pi is one of the most important numbers in maths and geometry calculations. 3.1416 will do for the basic stuff.

When is it used in normal daily life?

 

[Dr Dweeb]

When is it used in normal daily life?

Civil engineering, metal fabrication. All play a part in normal daily life.

 

[jollylescott]

It’s probably already been mentioned, but it’s worth watching John Pilger’s documentary on the gutting of the NHS. It’s available free on his website.

It’s remarkable in that it looks at the starving of resources, the ideological obsession with inept private firms, and eventual bed shortages.

Its scandalous when you think that the NHS was the worlds first Public Health Service.

 

[WNRH]

Civil engineering, metal fabrication. All play a part in normal daily life.

How many students leaving school go on to that form of employment? And those students that do, how many don't have to re-learn what Pi is for a qualification specific for that form of employment? Both answers will be a very tiny %.

Meanwhile millions of students leave school not knowing anything about calorie intake or what an overdraft/interest rates are or how to conduct a letter/email because too much time is spent learning about elements of subjects that don't have any affect on their future life.

 

[lancs blue]

You assume that everyone is as intelligent as yourself or enjoys having a thirst for knowledge. There is too much crap taught at schools, the whole of education is a mess.

He is right, students should be taught about food, more physical exercise, basic arithmetic without a calculator, how to conduct letters, emails, how to spell! They should be taught about finance how it all works in the real world.

No one needs to know about some war in the 1800's, or how rocks erode over time or what pi is. If you do, there's the internet at the touch of a button to explore. I could not stand history at school, it was boring, now you will find me watching all sorts of videos online about all kinds of events.

One thing i will never understand is that everyone has their own unique body, it will never leave you and you can never replace it and yet 99% of people would not know apart from the main organs what is inside their body or how it works.

How many people know what flu is? I would imagine most would say it's a virus you get in the winter that knocks you out for a few days. But how many know what actually happens and why? And how many know why the medicine we take and what's in it makes us better and recover from it? This is the stuff that should be taught in schools not half the crap that is currently on the curriculum.

Where do I start?

History - you think it's irrelevant in schools but as an example if you want to really understand why the Middle East is in a semi-permanent state of conflict you need to know how and why the major colonial powers carved up the region in the 19th and early 20th centuries. A philosopher once commented along the lines that those who forget (or are ignorant of) history are condemned to relive it.

You think that how rocks erode over time is inconsequential but knowing what factors influence erosion is part of understanding how the planet behaves and how our actions can impact on that behaviour.

You want financial systems and how they work to be taught, good luck trying that without a decent understanding of Maths and statistics.

While we're on Maths, one third of the available marks in the GCSE exam come from a 90 minute paper where calculators are not allowed.

On to Science, here are some section headings from a current GCSE Science textbook :

Coronary heart disease
Well balanced diet
Regular exercise
Physical and mental ill-health
Cancer
Effect of lifestyle on non-commuicable diseases
Communicable diseases
Pathogens
Viral diseases
Fungal diseases
Human defence systems
Vaccination
Antibiotics and painkillers
Modern drug development

Most of the above are covered in a fairly basic broad brush manner but that's because to understand the finer detail you need to first understand the basics of biology, physics, chemistry and - yes- mathematics.

The state education system is indeed far from perfect but the major problems are a lack of funding and/or how the funding is used and finding enough suitably qualified people to teach in particular Maths and the Sciences adequately.

 

[Dr Dweeb]

How many students leaving school go on to that form of employment? And those students that do, how many don't have to re-learn what Pi is for a qualification specific for that form of employment? Both answers will be a very tiny %.

Meanwhile millions of students leave school not knowing anything about calorie intake or what an overdraft/interest rates are or how to conduct a letter/email because too much time is spent learning about elements of subjects that don't have any affect on their future life.

I get your point. Maybe parents need more input about life skills etc but are too busy watching shite on tv to be bothered about setting their kids on the right road. Medical centers are packed with info on diet and healthy living. Maybe the slack parents could pick some up on their next visit.Burgers chips and beans for loads of kids tonight. I'll leave things there.

 

[blue12]

Seems like some sort of half arsed lockdown is now inevitable but all of it is meaningless while the schools are open, we may as well carry on as normal as the schools are the main reason the virus has spread like it is at the moment.
I work in one and I’m genuinely bemused at why they are going to open again next week when the week before half term in my school alone the cases and absences were getting ridiculous.
Kids will be fine and in the main at worst have mild to feeling a bit poorly symptoms but they are taking home to family. Not rocket science is it ?

 

[mrtwiceaseason]

Don't know if already posted but the first question I was asked at my weekly covid test was have you had the flu jab?
As they are not testing anyone who has had the jab in the previous 7 days as its causing false positives
If true that should send the results through the roof

 

[SiMCFC]

Seems like some sort of half arsed lockdown is now inevitable but all of it is meaningless while the schools are open, we may as well carry on as normal as the schools are the main reason the virus has spread like it is at the moment.
I work in one and I’m genuinely bemused at why they are going to open again next week when the week before half term in my school alone the cases and absences were getting ridiculous.
Kids will be fine and in the main at worst have mild to feeling a bit poorly symptoms but they are taking home to family. Not rocket science is it ?

As I posted last night, how do people who need to go to Work, to keep the Country going do so if not? It isn't as easy as 'shut the schools', do that, cut off childcare for the majority and we come to a screeching halt anyway one way or another.

I did also make the point that it's a shite position for Teachers, Nursery staff etc.

 

[@BluePhil8]

Not sure why it’s spreading faster than the worst case projections. However, the selfishness and stupidity of people going out for nights out, cunts not wearing face masks like this has all been one big joke, whilst I’ve been literally stuck inside apart from shopping for the last 3 months. Fucking piss take.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I didn’t see that but fuck me that’s demoralising. It leaves me in complete and utter despair. People just don’t care until their family are dying. Then they’ll blame the government. Don’t get me wrong the government should take a huge portion of the blame, but on average, the general public in this country have been a disgrace. It’s not even a minority. It’s now most people. Nobody gives a shit.

I came to the conclusion some years ago that as a country, we are fundamentally quite unpleasant actually. Of course we have our good points but there are far, far, far too many utter wankers in our society. We are in large proportion, self-centred, arrogant, rebellious and basically not very nice. Witnessing the countless scenes of mass non-compliance with Covid restrictions, only goes to illustrate the point. It's like it's in our genes to resent authority, to be non-compliant and to ignore rules. It's almost as if it's what defines us as being British.

Which is why I find it so difficult to understand our government's approach, which when compared to that of other countries, can only be described as "let's ask the public nicely if they would be kind enough to do X". OF COURSE this was never going to work.

Other countries have FAR tighter restrictions, and critically, enforcement and punishment. And whilst us Brits seem to want our freedoms more than most, and therefore the government has been loathed to be too Draconian, ironically we need more Draconian measures not less, because of what we are like. More policing (augmented by the army where we don't have enough numbers), stronger policing - none of this softly softly "have a word" bollocks - MUCH bigger fines and even custodial sentences for the worst cases of rule-breaking.

Should we have water canon out on the late night revellers? Of course we should. The rave over the summer near me in Bath was allowed to continue because the police felt there were too many people and they couldn't do much to stop it. What a disgrace. They should have pulled the plug out and arrested the DJ and the organisers. And if they didn't have enough police, mobilise back ups, including the army if needed.

If people want to act like tossers, I am sorry but we have to treat them like tossers. It's not like this is a bit of a laugh. Thousands of lives are at stake and I think the enforcement and punishments are in that context a complete joke.

 

[blue12]

As I posted last night, how do people who need to go to Work, to keep the Country going do so if not? It isn't as easy as 'shut the schools', do that, cut off childcare for the majority and we come to a screeching halt anyway one way or another.

I did also make the point that it's a shite position for Teachers, Nursery staff etc.

It’s a shit position either way and there are no easy answers but this week alone a friends Dad has died and I also have a friend who is very poorly and he works in the same school as me. Im getting increasingly nervous about going back to work as the guy I work with is in his 50s the same as me. To be honest I’m in a shite position anyway as my Mrs works in a care hone who are in the middle of an outbreak and she has come home shattered and extremely upset as she has seen a couple of deaths this week. Chances are we will get it here soon enough but my point is the virus is being mainly spread in schools and deems other things which will be lock down as pointless .

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Not sure why it’s spreading faster than the worst case projections. However, the selfishness and stupidity of people going out for nights out, cunts not wearing face masks like this has all been one big joke, whilst I’ve been literally stuck inside apart from shopping for the last 3 months. Fucking piss take.

It’s having a broader impact across the age groups in the 2nd wave with, for example, cases trebling for women between 20 and 40
years of age. That is probably due to the increased exposure of hospitality and front line workers to the virus.

FWIW, I was booked in to go to the opening of a Brewdog pub on Friday but gave it a miss with 1 in 40 people in the area I live understood to have the virus. As well as following the guidance on washing hands, face and space etc the amount of contacts people meet clearly affects their chances of catching the virus.

it’s grim to hear that serious cases are exceeding worst case scenarios and Boris is going to announce further restrictions next week. We don’t know if that is going to be similar to the first lockdown or not. I don’t want to see a lockdown but seeing the scenes outside pubs in Nottingham on the news, it’s possible that’s the way we are going.

 

[mosssideblue]

I came to the conclusion some years ago that as a country, we are fundamentally quite unpleasant actually. Of course we have our good points but there are far, far, far too many utter wankers in our society. We are in large proportion, self-centred, arrogant, rebellious and basically not very nice. Witnessing the countless scenes of mass non-compliance with Covid restrictions, only goes to illustrate the point. It's like it's in our genes to resent authority, to be non-compliant and to ignore rules. It's almost as if it's what defines us as being British.

Which is why I find it so difficult to understand our government's approach, which when compared to that of other countries, can only be described as "let's ask the public nicely if they would be kind enough to do X". OF COURSE this was never going to work.

Other countries have FAR tighter restrictions, and critically, enforcement and punishment. And whilst us Brits seem to want our freedoms more than most, and therefore the government has been loathed to be too Draconian, ironically we need more Draconian measures not less, because of what we are like. More policing (augmented by the army where we don't have enough numbers), stronger policing - none of this softly softly "have a word" bollocks - MUCH bigger fines and even custodial sentences for the worst cases of rule-breaking.

Should we have water canon out on the late night revellers? Of course we should. The rave over the summer near me in Bath was allowed to continue because the police felt there were too many people and they couldn't do much to stop it. What a disgrace. They should have pulled the plug out and arrested the DJ and the organisers. And if they didn't have enough police, mobilise back ups, including the army if needed.

If people want to act like tossers, I am sorry but we have to treat them like tossers. It's not like this is a bit of a laugh. Thousands of lives are at stake and I think the enforcement and punishments are in that context a complete joke.

Nail on head, and until we do, little headway will be made, if any

 

[Ric]

it’s grim to hear that serious cases are exceeding worst case scenarios and Boris is going to announce further restrictions next week. We don’t know if that is going to be similar to the first lockdown or not. I don’t want to see a lockdown but seeing the scenes outside pubs in Nottingham on the news, it’s possible that’s the way we are going.

I think another lockdown now seems inevitable.

 

[SiMCFC]

What about the Countries where they have had much harsher lockdowns/punishments yet cases are now much higher than they were anyway? My Grandparents in France have virtually been in lockdown (permits) since April. Many Friends in Eastern Europe (mainly Czech) have had various lockdowns which have statistically had no effect on slowing anything down once some form of normality was attempted.

 

[SiMCFC]

It’s having a broader impact across the age groups in the 2nd wave with, for example, cases trebling for women between 20 and 40
years of age. That is probably due to the increased exposure of hospitality and front line workers to the virus.

FWIW, I was booked in to go to the opening of a Brewdog pub on Friday but gave it a miss with 1 in 40 people in the area I live understood to have the virus. As well as following the guidance on washing hands, face and space etc the amount of contacts people meet clearly affects their chances of catching the virus.

it’s grim to hear that serious cases are exceeding worst case scenarios and Boris is going to announce further restrictions next week. We don’t know if that is going to be similar to the first lockdown or not. I don’t want to see a lockdown but seeing the scenes outside pubs in Nottingham on the news, it’s possible that’s the way we are going.

Huge demographic of Nursing staff in that bracket who are always going to be susceptible unfortunately.

 

[Northernstorirs]

Expect many more high street shops and gyms to now go under just so we can save Xmas. Would love to know how none ssential small businesses and gyms are contributing to the spread and the rationale behind closing these businesses.