COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Marvin]

Unfortunately they have rammed home the message of stay at home or you are going to die for the last few months so trying to now change the messaging and release lockdown is going to be even harder than locking down in the first place.

The arguments surrounding this and how to best get out of it are complex and the solutions are not obvious and it's made worse because politicians have shut down public discussion of the science. We see different countries adopting different strategies and people see this as a reflection of competence but it's not that simple.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Siren voices - here's Dr John
"Ten reasons why I believe that it is wrong to continue with lockdown and why we should start to reverse it immediately and rapidly."

1. You cannot understand the significance of this virus simply by looking at the raw death figures

2. The policy response to the virus has been driven by modelling of Covid – not other factors

3. We don’t know if lockdown is working

4. We should ease the lockdown to save lives

5. Lockdown is not sustainable

6. Lockdown directly harms those most likely to be affected by coronavirus

7. Lockdown directly harms those who will be largely unaffected by coronavirus

8. The health service has not been overwhelmed nor likely to be

9. The virus is almost certainly not a constant threat

10. People can be trusted to behave sensibly"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ten-reasons-to-end-the-lockdown-now

Don't agree with his closing statement at all

'And despite the fears that we continue to harbour over this virus, our new normal should look very much like our old, perhaps with the addition of some social responsibility in the face of respiratory illness. It is the only way for us to live in the world.'

There are many ways to live in the world and unfortunately our old way of mass production and constant consumption is not sustainable. We do need a new normal, despite what people like this say and are trying to cling onto.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Siren voices - here's Dr John
"Ten reasons why I believe that it is wrong to continue with lockdown and why we should start to reverse it immediately and rapidly."

1. You cannot understand the significance of this virus simply by looking at the raw death figures

2. The policy response to the virus has been driven by modelling of Covid – not other factors

3. We don’t know if lockdown is working

4. We should ease the lockdown to save lives

5. Lockdown is not sustainable

6. Lockdown directly harms those most likely to be affected by coronavirus

7. Lockdown directly harms those who will be largely unaffected by coronavirus

8. The health service has not been overwhelmed nor likely to be

9. The virus is almost certainly not a constant threat

10. People can be trusted to behave sensibly"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ten-reasons-to-end-the-lockdown-now

A lot of good points in that article BUT we were very close to the NHS being swamped 4 weeks ago (85% critical care bed occupancy). Lifting the lockdown without measures to protect travellers on public transport and being able to track and trace new cases would be fully on a grand scale as the disease would come roaring back.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Don't agree with his closing statement at all

'And despite the fears that we continue to harbour over this virus, our new normal should look very much like our old, perhaps with the addition of some social responsibility in the face of respiratory illness. It is the only way for us to live in the world.'

There are many ways to live in the world and unfortunately our old way of mass production and constant consumption is not sustainable. We do need a new normal, despite what people like this say and are trying to cling onto.

I agree with the constant consumption point . People but shit all the time . Have a perfectly good thing but need a better one or more of it !

a lot of people are reflecting on this and a consumer led economy . Sadly give it a year everyone will be back to bling

Hopefully people will realise how disgusting 5k watches and private number plates really are

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

A lot of good points in that article BUT we were very close to the NHS being swamped 4 weeks ago (85% critical care bed occupancy). Lifting the lockdown without measures to protect travellers on public transport and being able to track and trace new cases would be fully on a grand scale as the disease would come roaring back.

And his No10 is just pie in the sky! There are sufficient numbers of irresponsible people who will ignore any kind of advice or guidance. Just look at the canutes who drive down any lane of a motorway with a phone clamped to an ear or resting surreptitiously on their thigh! And does everybody where a seatbelt? We have seen enough from the present 'lockdown' to know that any easing will be interpreted to suit the individual, whether they are one of Bootle's finest, or a cabinet minister!

 

[BlueAnorak]

not even going to be proper quarentine in that sense, its fly in and go to you destination and stay in for 14 days and there MAY be spot checks, they need to open up local hotels at airports and force quarantine not play at it

Not to enforce quarantine without mobile phone geo location tracking in force on the individuals mobile phone would be a complete and utter waste of time. Random phone calls to make sure they haven't just buggered off leaving their phone behind is essential too. Taiwan had this spot on.

 

[twosips]

Has anyone found a recent, reliable breakdown of deaths by age in the UK from this? I can't find anything that isn't from early April.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Has anyone found a recent, reliable breakdown of deaths by age in the UK from this? I can't find anything that isn't from early April.

they are saving it mate for general release when they want us to go back to work.

it’s not the time, give it a week and it will be a slide in the daily press briefings

 

[Mike N]

Correct only in this stupid country
You couldn't make it up

Jesus wept, what a sorry mess of a country. Which member of the government said we were ‘an exemplar’ for other countries to follow?

I now have an image of Boris Johnson doing a ‘Benny Hill’ salute.

 

[twosips]

they are saving it mate for general release when they want us to go back to work.

it’s not the time, give it a week and it will be a slide in the daily press briefings

I only ask as I saw someone claiming on here that only a couple of hundred were under 40. Not seen any source for that yet.