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Invisible Man's Bandage said:
I've just read an interview with the CEO of Astra Zeneca Pascal Soriot in the Times (behind paywall so won't bother linking it). He is very confident about the efficiency of their vaccine and he has champagne in the fridge awaiting approval. He also makes the point that no-one in any age group who had the vaccine was hospitalised or died even if they caught Covid. He did say that they are looking at modified versions just in case but he doesn't think they will be required.

He has been made Sunday Times Business Person of the Year because of his commitment to sell the vaccine at cost to low and medium income countries in perpetuity.
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Of course he is going to be confident! How many people over 60 and the vulnerable did they use in this test? My guess will be zero.
 
waspish said:
Of course he is going to be confident! How many people over 60 and the vulnerable did they use in this test? My guess will be zero.
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Your guess is totally wrong. Nearly all the participants received the two full doses regime and all age groups were included. A much smaller group accidentally received a half dose followed by a full dose and as this wasn't by design none of them were older than 55.

No-one in either group was hospitalised or died even if they contracted Covid.

I suggest that rather than guessing you might spend a few minutes doing a bit of research.
 
Greater Manchester:

Total cases 584 - down from 846. 36% of NW Total of 1618.

3 wks v 2 wks v last wk v TODAY:- 759 v 727 v 594 v 584 TODAY Going down is good!

Manchester 111 - down from 124, Lowest in 12 days. Total cases 34. 812. Weekly 1130. Pop score up 20 to 6297. Weekly Pop down 7 to 205.

Trafford 88 - up from 74. Only borough to rise today. Closest to Manchester in a very long time. Good for Manchester - doing really well - not for Trafford - who even more so than Stockport - given their big shopping complexes may be getting the Christmas invasion consequences. Total cases 9984 (we will lose our last sub 10,000 case borough tomorrow bar a miracle). Weekly 566. Way up on where it was when top 3 weeks ago. Pop score up 37 to 4206. Weekly Pop up 18 to an unimaginable 238. Higher than GMs two worst boroughs were a fortnight or so ago.

Stockport 68 - down from 87. Not doing well comparatively week to week for I think similar reasons. But at present not as bad as Trafford and pulling away from it on other measures whilst going up v rest of GM - which further infers the Christmas shopping factor given the dominance regionally of the Trafford Centre. Total cases 12, 006. Weekly 581. Pop score up 24 to 4092. Overall Pop Score lead over Trafford rises big again to 114. But weekly Pop up 9 to 198 and on verge of going sub 100 to verge of into the 200s in 10 days to highest number here in a month,

Wigan 68 - down from 110. Total cases 18, 643. Weekly 589. Pop score up 20 to 5672. Weekly Pop up 6 to 179.

Oldham 59 - down from 74. Total cases 16, 374. Weekly 463. Pop score up 25 to 6906. Weekly Pop up 1 to 196. But Oldham now has a BETTER Pop score than Stockport - unimaginable a month or so ago when Oldham was 408 and Stockport 172.

Rochdale 51 - down from 73. Total cases 14, 392. Weekly 531. Pop score up 23 to 6471. Weekly Pop up 2 to 239. Again almost identical to Trafford. Unimaginable a month ago.

Tameside 46 - down from 63. But not top today. Total cases 11, 467. Weekly 382. Pop score up 20 to 5063. Weekly Pop down 1 to 169. Clinging on a bit now to the best weekly cases lead with several challengers.

Salford 44 - down from 96 to lowest score in a while here. Total cases 14, 974. Weekly 599. Pop score up 17 to 5785. Lowest in a while but not top in GM today. Weekly Pop down 6 to 231 and also now better than Trafford.

Bolton 25 - down from 73 to lowest score here in months. Total cases 16, 707. Weekly 423. Pop score up 9 to 5810. Its lowest rise since the Summer and best in GM today. Bolton has massively turned the corner Weekly Pop down 6 to 146 and unbelievably the once badly hit borough that kept GM in measures all late Summer is now well clear as the best in GM. But not the best today!!!

Bury 24 - down from 72 to lowest GM score in a week or two. Total cases 11, 249. Weekly 445. Pop score up 13 to 5890. Weekly Pop down 16 to 233. Not worst in GM now, Rochdale is but only by 1 from amazingly Trafford long time best up to the last fortnight.
 
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For Andyhinch:-

Cheshire East Better day Andy

Cases 91, down from 143 Total cases 11, 216. Pop score up 24 to 2920. Weekly Pop DOWN (first time in a while) from 236 to 230.

Better than Trafford now Andy!
 
FantasyIreland said:
Incompetence.
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It certainly is not the data. But I guess we have to be allowed to believe the mass testing there worked well enough to allow it now they are doing the same all over the UK and want people to see it as a ticket out of the worst measures.

I used to live on Merseyside and if I still did I would not be happy being left exposed like that as cases rise and tier 3 importers arrive to take advantage of their generosity.
 
Not read much into it, but with the Oxford/Astra Zeneca vaccine, has there been issues with allergy reactions?

My other grandma had a call the other day off her Dr to say she couldn’t have the Pfizer one because of her having a reaction to some antibiotics last year. She is gutted she couldn’t have it and would be great if she could have the oxford one if/when approved
 
waspish said:
Of course he is going to be confident! How many people over 60 and the vulnerable did they use in this test? My guess will be zero.
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Your guess is wrong, hopefully not everyone will work on assumption... what do they say about assumption being the mother of all cockup's. pretty wise words in these times
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
Your guess is totally wrong. Nearly all the participants received the two full doses regime and all age groups were included. A much smaller group accidentally received a half dose followed by a full dose and as this wasn't by design none of them were older than 55.

No-one in either group was hospitalised or died even if they contracted Covid.

I suggest that rather than guessing you might spend a few minutes doing a bit of research.
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So no one over 60?
 
Healdplace said:
It certainly is not the data. But I guess we have to be allowed to believe the mass testing there worked well enough to allow it now they are doing the same all over the UK and want people to see it as a ticket out of the worst measures.

I used to live on Merseyside and if I still did I would not be happy being left exposed like that as cases rise and tier 3 importers arrive to take advantage of their generosity.
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Its crazy,just a magnet for covid wankers.
 
Kent Update:

Dartford 99 cases down from 178. Big drop, Total cases 4818.

Pop score up 88 to 4279.

Weekly Pop UP from 951 to 961.


Medway 285 cases down from 343. Total cases 14, 543.

Pop score up 102 to 5221.

Weekly Pop DOWN from 1084 to 1059.
 
waspish said:
So no one over 60?
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You aren't doing yourself any favours here..

Tens of thousands of trial participants received two full doses and these were ALL age groups. A smaller subset received a half dose followed by a full dose. As this was accidental none of them were older than 55. NONE of either group was hospitalised or died.

All the vaccine trials have to follow the same protocols.
 
waspish said:
Of course he is going to be confident! How many people over 60 and the vulnerable did they use in this test? My guess will be zero.
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Your guess is incorrect.

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I think, but am not certain, that recruitment of older subjects (>70) was delayed until they had more safety data.

You may also be interested in the earlier published phase II data, which looked at immune response (not efficacy) across age ranges and concluded that the immune response was equally good in older subjects.


I'm not sure why people tend to assume the worst of these trials before finding out. They're being run by people with far more expertise than any of us; if there's a good question to be asked, assuming the experts have thought of it ahead of us is a good assumption to make.
 
A family over the road have 4 grown up kids, all with partners and at least 7 grandkids. Yesterday at least 12 were around for Xmas day. Today another shitload of people have turned up, obviously they don't give a fuck,
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
You aren't doing yourself any favours here..

Tens of thousands of trial participants received two full doses and these were ALL age groups. A smaller subset received a half dose followed by a full dose. As this was accidental none of them were older than 55. NONE of either group was hospitalised or died.

All the vaccine trials have to follow the same protocols.
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Think we got crossed wires here Am not questioning the results it’s fantastic my point is when doing testing with drugs Isn’t it law that they can’t do the testing on the vulnerable and over a certain age? If so we do not know the outcome when that’s eventually take the vaccine.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Labour too would be equally stupid to allow Covidiots to get away with it - the human right to infect is apparantly stronger than the human right to stay well.
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I admire your ability to divine the unknowable.

However, we only have the govt in front of us, and regardless of our fantasy team, the actual team have produced an appalling mixture of dithering, inconsistency and incompetence, resulting in amongst the very worst outcomes in the world.

As Rosen points out much better than I can.

Right. To the match!!
 
waspish said:
Think we got crossed wires here Am not questioning the results it’s fantastic my point is when doing testing with drugs Isn’t it law that they can’t do the testing on the vulnerable and over a certain age? If so we do not know the outcome when that’s eventually take the vaccine.
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I’m on the Novavax trial and there are over 60s on that.
 
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