COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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bluethrunthru said:
Recovering this morning from the worst discussion I have had ever with my Dad last night. He was a life long Labour supporter who - in my view obvs - was turned by the Brexit narrative but has become someone who politically and socially I barely recognise. He has become so rabid racist right wing were he not my Dad I wouldn't maintain contact with him. Tonight he revealed that because " of what he has seen on his phone as he no longer watches the msm" that -
1/ The virus is being spread by Muslims as mosques are still open and the Police act upon reports of VE Day parties not Friday Mosque prayers.
2/ There are more infected illegals getting into the UK than might be coming in on authorised airline flights
3/ people need to just use common sense and steer clear of foreigners
4/ the media are inflating the number of dead and its about 3,000 tops no matter what they say
I am devastated - the man I looked up to is no longer what I thought - I really don't know what to say to him and worst of all I am not sure I want to call my 82 year old Dad again next week at the agreed time .....devastated.
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Honest advice, he’s your Dad. Call him every day. Don’t discuss politics. Make sure he knows you love him. Treasure the time you have and enjoy being able to call him.

One day that option won’t be available to you and you won’t give a fuck about his politics. You’ll just miss him.
 
route46 said:
With the lockdown we have we are just going to be going round in circles having wave lockdown wave lockdown that will be going on for years if no vaccine is found.

Only solution I see is locking down the older generations and letting the younger build up herd immunity.

The lockdown wouldn't be compulsory each individual has to weigh up the risks
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I think that "only solution" may be exactly what lies behind last night's announcement.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...1D4WUeQfEB_ZpJURNkv-2ICHy4Gh9JjeVCIhghXNvYDTg
 
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For those who think the advice was clear, is it still the old advice that you should go into work only if it is essential (or if the boss says it's essential) and does "for instance, construction or manufacturing" mean that people not building or making things can now say they're not going in because it's not an instance?
 
Vic said:
For those who think the advice was clear, is it still the old advice that you should go into work only if it is essential (or if the boss says it's essential) and does "for instance, construction or manufacturing" mean that people not building or making things can now say they're not going in because it's not an instance?
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I’m sure you’ll find out when the accompanying 50 page document is released today.
 
London chamber of comerce advising businesses in the capital to change nothing yet until a detailed plan how to manage this.

The TUC has told workers to utulize section 44 of the employment rights act to refuse to work if your workplace isn't safe to do so, under the act you cannot face any recriminations for refusing.

See Section 44.1(d) and Section 44.1(e) below:

(d) in circumstances of danger which the employee reasonably believed to be serious and imminent and which he could not reasonably have been expected to avert, he left (or proposed to leave) or (while the danger persisted) refused to return to his place of work or any dangerous part of his place of work, or

(e) in circumstances of danger which the employee reasonably believed to be serious and imminent, he took (or proposed to take) appropriate steps to protect himself or other persons from the danger.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Recovering this morning from the worst discussion I have had ever with my Dad last night. He was a life long Labour supporter who - in my view obvs - was turned by the Brexit narrative but has become someone who politically and socially I barely recognise. He has become so rabid racist right wing were he not my Dad I wouldn't maintain contact with him. Tonight he revealed that because " of what he has seen on his phone as he no longer watches the msm" that -
1/ The virus is being spread by Muslims as mosques are still open and the Police act upon reports of VE Day parties not Friday Mosque prayers.
2/ There are more infected illegals getting into the UK than might be coming in on authorised airline flights
3/ people need to just use common sense and steer clear of foreigners
4/ the media are inflating the number of dead and its about 3,000 tops no matter what they say
I am devastated - the man I looked up to is no longer what I thought - I really don't know what to say to him and worst of all I am not sure I want to call my 82 year old Dad again next week at the agreed time .....devastated.
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That's a shame, i feel for both of you, the discomfort that creates. Unfortunaty, (trying to keep this brief as it is for the politics thread) that narrative is here to stay, enough shit has been thrown at walls that some is bound to stick, the blame game has gone on so long that it has eroded away at people. Plus we had a good few years of brexit promoters telling us it is not only normal, but right to lash out and make decisions based on spoon fed predjudice, and that doesnt make you xenophobic. If someone like him can turn that way, who is to say others less socially conscious don't find it an easy latch, or heck that it won't be you one day.
In these times, that at least should be very much distant background, focus on the positives, health, and the years of good.
 
Doesn't matter every country that has been sucessful has had mass testing, until we do we are endangering and sacrificing people
 
Across Europe, countries are easing the lockdown, hoping that it will not lead to a second wave of infections.

In France, primary schools will start with small numbers of pupils today, and clothes shops, bookshops, hair salons and florists will reopen. Restaurants, cinemas and bars will remain shut.

In Belgium, most business will open on Monday albeit with social distancing. Restaurants, bars and cafes remain closed.

In the Netherlands, primary schools will partially reopen today. Libraries, physiotherapists, driving schools and hairdressers will also open.

In Switzerland, both primary and middle schools will reopen but classes will be reduced in size. Restaurants, bookshops and museums can also open but with certain restrictions.

In some regions of Spain, gatherings of up to ten people will be allowed and outdoor spaces at restaurants can reopen with social distancing measures.

In the UK, England will ease some of the lockdown measures this week, but other parts of the UK will keep stricter guidelines.

In Denmark, shopping centres can reopen on Monday while in Poland, hotels can reopen this week - although foreign tourists would still have to quarantine for two weeks.

Other European countries like Germany, Austria and Italy have already begun easing their restrictions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52612438
 
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