COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[beast]

Definite stitch up, totally deserved and hopefully evokes some self reflection. There is a guy ( who I don't know ) who on weekends used to go to busy parks and post pictures of how busy it was an expressed his outrage, you are there too mate!!!! True though telling the nation they traveled an hour and a half wasn't really necessary but where is her self awareness, the guys sat with her during the interview were pracically hiding their faces haha

Anyone got a link for this?

 

[Tim of the Oak]

According to my daughter most who die die of Sepsis or Organ failure and many older patients are just too frail to put on ventilators.

Thank BlueAnorak. Yes and the son of a family fried died with COVID-19 and Sepsis. Its now apparent that the virus led to the sepsis but I think the clinicians thought the 31 year old lad had come in with the pre-existing condition. That was a few weeks ago and more is being learnt about the virus all the time.

 

[twosips]

We cannot eradicate coronavirus, expert warns

The coronavirus cannot be eradicated, the House of Lords has heard.

Prof David Robertson, head of viral genomics and bioinformatics at the University of Glasgow, told the House's Science and Technology Committee that Covid-19 was a highly successful virus.

He said: "It is so transmissible, it's so successful, we're so susceptible, that actually it's a little bit of a red herring to worry about it getting worse, because it couldn't be much worse at the moment in terms of the numbers of cases."

He contrasted coronavirus with Ebola, which killed many more of the people it infected but was therefore easier to control as people stopped spreading it.

"This virus is infecting so many people with asymptomatic to mild symptoms that it's almost uncontrollable.

"I think we have to be clear that we're not going to be able to eradicate this virus. It's going to settle into the human population and in several years it will become a normal virus."

There was also a warning that people who have had coronavirus may not develop significant immunity.

John Edmunds, professor of infectious disease modelling at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said evidence from survivors of Sars (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, a different form of coronavirus) suggested immunity-giving antibodies reduced over time.

"So that's potentially bad news for us, that immunity may not last that long against this virus," he said.

Great stuff. I also do wonder what he knows that other experts in his field don't? How can he definitively say that we won't get rid of it?

 

[Gelsons Dad]

The fall.
Since the 3rd (23 days after easter bank holidays) There appears to be a levelling in the drop.

 

[kaz7]

New stats

Age range is interesting

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-uk-coronavirus-death-toll-22049711

 

[grunge]

Great stuff. I also do wonder what he knows that other experts in his field don't? How can he definitively say that we won't get rid of it?

I think he's probably basing on previous viruses. the ones we have managed to eradicate vs those we haven't. for example we have had a measles vaccine since 1968 yet we havn't managed to kill that off yet.

quick google suggests we have only actually managed to totally eradicate 2 viruses with vaccines.

More info:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eradication_of_infectious_diseases

 

[blueparrot]

The fall.
Since the 3rd (23 days after easter bank holidays) There appears to be a levelling in the drop.

Maybe but the lower we get the harder it will be to get bigger drops, it’s unlikely to drop to zero anytime soon so we maybe left with a residual number. Keeping that number down will be the aim

 

[twosips]

I think he's probably basing on previous viruses. the ones we have managed to eradicate vs those we haven't. for example we have had a measles vaccine since 1968 yet we havn't managed to kill that off yet.

quick google suggests we have only actually managed to totally eradicate 2 viruses with vaccines.

More info:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eradication_of_infectious_diseases

Ah good point - I took it as he meant we won't get a vaccine for it. He didn't mean that at all did he? He doesn't necessarily mean it'll be as disruptive as it is now I guess.

 

[twosips]

The fall.
Since the 3rd (23 days after easter bank holidays) There appears to be a levelling in the drop.

On average am I right to say that after around 5-7 days of backdating we tend to get a relatively accurate picture of how many deaths there was on any given day? Seems that way with a quick glance of the figures. A very rough projection then for where figures on yesterday's date could get to could be about 130ish or sumat? Encouraging if so. It needs to be lower still of course, but heading in the right direction.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Thank BlueAnorak. Yes and the son of a family fried died with COVID-19 and Sepsis. Its now apparent that the virus led to the sepsis but I think the clinicians thought the 31 year old lad had come in with the pre-existing condition. That was a few weeks ago and more is being learnt about the virus all the time.

Sorry to hear about that.
But yes, it's the Cytokine storm in many patients and the resulting raised IL-6 and IL-8 markers that trigger inflamation all over the body. This in turn kicks off all sorts of problems that can lead to other infections and results in classic Sepsis symptoms that are very difficult to control.
They're trying to find a way of controlling it. They haven't got there yet but there are drugs being trialled.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7224649/