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cleavers said:
Yeah I think I spotted that, but its something that can annoy.

I also didn't visit Durdle Door, Bournemouth beach, or Dove Stone reservoir either, I have been out and had nice days, but not being part of the "idiot" population I tend to avoid crowds of idiots.
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Well, it's only reciprocating for the people who continually protest those things were acceptable because you couldn't "deny people those moments".

A month ago it was the old fogeys, now it's the protestors spreading their "message" around. Obedient lives don't matter though.
 
BJL_City said:
Well, it's only reciprocating for the people who continually protest those things were acceptable because you couldn't "deny people those moments".

A month ago it was the old fogeys, now it's the protestors spreading their "message" around. Obedient lives don't matter though.
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Fair enough.

Idiots will infect other idiots easily, I'll do my best best to avoid idiots, sadly I can't guarantee I will, as there are things I have to do outside.

I just don't like when people generalise like this....
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not surprising we're struggling to drop the figures given it's about a month since VE day and everyone misbehaved.
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....because the vast majority didn't.
 
Healdplace said:
It seems pointless to try as Gelson's Dad maybe has with his graph.

Earlier today I posted the figures. Yes, the care home add on today were higher than earlier this week Or than I hoped. But that may even out over the weekend when these get reported less. We may even go below 100 reported England hospital deaths on the day this weekend. Possibly even UK wide given the usual drop on Sunday and Monday reporting

But the truth is clear in the figures. Many of the daily total add cases that are days, weeks, even months old collated slowly. And those for recent deaths has slowed meaning even after 5 days to add on cases (the band in Gelsons graph) we now have had three successive sub 100 days.

That is a milestone everyone has missed without that graph to show it. But compare it with the 5 day total on 8 April in England hospitals only which reached 737. We went below 600 after 5 day add ons on April 16. Below 500 on April 21. Below 400 on April 25. Below 300 on April 29. Below 200 on May 8. And below 100 for the first time on May 29.

All these were the last days the higher levels were recorded.

For weeks deaths have been falling not rising. Just unevenly and slowly, party because the care home figures take time to gather whereas hospital deaths are usually quicker.

If you look at the figures for deaths in England in Gelson's graph and that I have been reporting in his absence the true picture outside the care homes is clear. And the data on care homes says we are belatedly getting that under control too.

The last time even 50 + deaths were recorded on the day in all England hospitals was May 7.

The last time 40 + deaths were on the day was May 20.

The last time 30 deaths + were on the day was May 28.

The last full weeks totals of on the day in England hospital deaths recorded are in order 20, 15, 13, 19, 20, 24, 19

The trend there goes up to yesterday and is clearly in one direction. Just slow and slightly up and down.

Most announced deaths are from previous days not the day they get ascribed to by most simple reporting.

We had another added today from way back on April 8 - our worst day when near on 900 people died in England hospitals alone.

If you look at the figures the trend is all down not up. Just a slow grind.

Getting to grips with our care home problem too late and too slow will be what emerges as the big scandal here and why we are so much higher than we could have been.
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Great work. Clear as could be.
 
cleavers said:
Fair enough.

Idiots will infect other idiots easily, I'll do my best best to avoid idiots, sadly I can't guarantee I will, as there are things I have to do outside.

I just don't like when people generalise like this....

....because the vast majority didn't.
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It should come as no surprise that r values rise when restrictions are lifted. As you say idiots are idiots and they are given more freedom to extend their personal risk to others.
Again as you say as long as the majority keep away from these people of all ages we will not be forced to share the risk.
 
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