COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[grunge]

The article was from yesterday so not sure it’s the Feb one, or why they have included it if it is: https://www.newscientist.com/articl...g-less-deadly-in-europe-but-we-dont-know-why/

the problem with that article is its an opinion piece with selective commenting, as is with a lot of media mind you.

when you look into the links they are using there are additional caviats

Doctor says coronavirus 'getting less angry'- and we shouldn't fear second wave

Dr Ron Daniels, an intensive care consultant atGood Hope Hospital near Birmingham, says Covid-19 is not now as deadly as at the start of the pandemic

www.mirror.co.uk

he doesn't mention anything about a mutation. but does add stuff about social distancing and being responsible.

Providing the public continues to behave sensibly, that we start to return to normal, start to enjoy ourselves, start to eat out to help out and so forth, but do so within the rules of social distancing, if there is a second wave in the winter, it is likely to be very significantly smaller than the first wave.

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Yep this is the February mutation.

Scientists discovered the mutation as early as February and it has circulated in Europe and the Americas, the World Health Organization said. The WHO has also said there is no evidence the mutation has led to more severe disease.

However from something I read this morning its not the S / L strain mutation, its actually one of the other mutations that spread to the EU area. which was strain G.

So while it does prove that mutations do happen, this virus is quite stable in reality and the virus that hit us in March is the same one we have now. rather than being a new mutation like the media were suggesting with this guys interview.

the common factor globally is human behaviour ( and seasons ). and with the fact that genomes are tracked quite quickly so countries know where imported infections comes from, we would know by now if another big mutation had occurred unless its very new. which if it was, wouldn't have had time to spread far enough to effect an entire continent.

 

[Ban-jani]

the problem with that article is its an opinion piece with selective commenting, as is with a lot of media mind you.

when you look into the links they are using there are additional caviats

Doctor says coronavirus 'getting less angry'- and we shouldn't fear second wave

Dr Ron Daniels, an intensive care consultant atGood Hope Hospital near Birmingham, says Covid-19 is not now as deadly as at the start of the pandemic

www.mirror.co.uk

he doesn't mention anything about a mutation. but does add stuff about social distancing and being responsible.

Reuters | Breaking International News & Views

Find latest news from every corner of the globe at Reuters.com, your online source for breaking international news coverage.

uk.reuters.com

Yep this is the February mutation.



However from something I read this morning its not the S / L strain mutation, its actually one of the other mutations that spread to the EU area. which was strain G.

So while it does prove that mutations do happen, this virus is quite stable in reality and the virus that hit us in March is the same one we have now. rather than being a new mutation like the media were suggesting with this guys interview.

the common factor globally is human behaviour ( and seasons ). and with the fact that genomes are tracked quite quickly so countries know where imported infections comes from, we would know by now if another big mutation had occurred unless its very new. which if it was, wouldn't have had time to spread far enough to effect an entire continent.

Good post.

So do you think Social distancing is changing the viral load and combining that with a potential slightly different strain and the younger generation now being the main transmissions, it’s all combining to make it less effective in hospitalising and killing people?

 

[Healdplace]

A 75 year old woman has now been identified as the first person in the UK to catch the virus. Scientists at the local university say she did so in Nottingham on 21 February - a month before lockdown and sadly became the first UK covid death. Up to now another patient in Surrey was thought to be the earliest to catch it in Britain.

 

[cleavers]

A 75 year old woman has now been identified as the first person in the UK to catch the virus. Scientists at the local university say she did so in Nottingham and was tested on 21 February - a month before lockdown and sadly became the first UK covid death. Up to now another patient in Surrey was thought to be the earliest to catch it in Britain.

Somebody must have already had it for her to catch it, did they say where and how she caught it ?

 

[Healdplace]

All settings deaths 16

New cases back up to 1184.

Not a good pointer for local cases.

 

[kaz7]

A 75 year old woman has now been identified as the first person in the UK to catch the virus. Scientists at the local university say she did so in Nottingham on 21 February - a month before lockdown and sadly became the first UK covid death. Up to now another patient in Surrey was thought to be the earliest to catch it in Britain.

Fucking hell i was unlucky to get it at the very start of march then

 

[Healdplace]

Somebody must have already had it for her to catch it, did they say where and how she caught it ?

Origin not known as far as I can see as it was only just identified. Though they say she likely caught it early in February as she was very ill when entering hospital and died soon after doing so.

 

[cleavers]

Origin not known as far as I can see as it was only just identified. Though they say she likely caught it early in February as she was very ill when entering hospital and died soon after doing so.

Thanks.

 

[mackenzie]

it is unethical to infect someone with a disease t here is no cure for,it would take a brave man to give the ok to overturn that,it would be madness,we are making good progress as it is

Been reading the Bryson book recently "The Body (a guide for Occupants)"
Bloody hell it's amazing the risks that were taken, or just the sheer curiosity or thirst for knowledge, that allowed us to be where we are now.
I'm not sure how true it is but someone operated on a patient to remove a kidney, not knowing if it would result in death or not. As Bryson says, both doctor AND patient were immensely grateful it worked ;-)

 

[grunge]

Good post.

So do you think Social distancing is changing the viral load and combining that with a potential slightly different strain and the younger generation now being the main transmissions, it’s all combining to make it less effective in hospitalising and killing people?

Pretty much yep, I think social distancing, Masks. hand washing, use of hand sanitisers while out and about, in shops etc ( sanitsiing baskets/trolly's ), Summer and being outside etc is resulting in the lower viral loads, all that and the younger demographic is resulting in less severe cases.

Virus wise, Speaking from a whole European point of view I don't think we're dealing with a "new" strain. if it was a new strain that had had enough time to spread across Europe scientists would have identified the new strains and the changes too it.

From reading earlier ( the post is in here somewhere ).

we know of 6 significant strains globally ( and 48k small genome mutations ), and from that article it looks like most of those new strains spawned quite early on, the 1st 2/3 months. which suggests that the virus's stability wasn't quite there when it 1st jumped from animal to human but its now stabilised a lot since.