COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Not defending Cummings, but people seemed to be behaving exactly how they liked and as if the virus had gone away long before that story broke. We are now reaping the rewards of those packed beaches during the spring bank holidays and the arseholes pissing it up in pubs all summer with little regard for anything except their own sense of entitlement.

It’s all about messaging and this government are absolutely useless at it.
They contradict themselves endlessly, it’s no wonder people don’t know what’s what. As for Cummings, the biggest mistake there was not fronting up that he’d got it wrong, apologising and taking the opportunity to reinforce the rules but they decided to say that the rules have always been ”open to interpretation“.

”Go out to the pub“, “go back to the offices”, “start using public transport again”, ”go to work”, ”parliament needs to be back in London we can’t work remotely”, ”town/city centres are dying“, ”go on holiday”, ”don’t go on holiday”, “meet outside, the virus doesn’t spread outside”, ”don’t meet outside”, “the rule of six (wtf is that about), unless you’re shooting grouse”.
Then we got told that obesity was the new war the government wanted to fight, banning this, that and the other, 2 days before the chancellor said “have a whopper on me”.

Finally, your packed beaches didn’t contribute one iota to this rise in the testing system finding more people with viral matter and if everyone stayed outside, we’d be mostly down the road to cracking this, hence his rule of six treating outside and inside the same, is more proof of the random policy generator in action not serious mindedness.

 

[dennishasdoneit]

Not defending Cummings, but people seemed to be behaving exactly how they liked and as if the virus had gone away long before that story broke. We are now reaping the rewards of those packed beaches during the spring bank holidays and the arseholes pissing it up in pubs all summer with little regard for anything except their own sense of entitlement.

Many of us pissing it up in pubs this summer actually realiaed that there is little evidence of a pandemic if you turn the tv off,and if you do catch it ,you habe a 99.7 % chance of surviving .
Many more of us struggle to name one person they know who has died of the virus
Some of us are sick of the online scaremongering. Completely unjustisfied.wipe your fanny .
Im just waiting to hear if pur player who has got it haa died yet; or if,as per normal he will just be off work fo a few days,and return fit and well as tho nowt had happened.
This is getting ridiculous now.world has gone mad.
We know heaprh secretary matt hancock has 75k shares in the company producing the vaccine to 'save us'.what we dont know is how many shrares BJ has....i await his safety speech later........
Rant over.

 

[inbetween]

Many of us pissing it up in pubs this summer actually realiaed that there is little evidence of a pandemic if you turn the tv off,and if you do catch it ,you habe a 99.7 % chance of surviving .
Many more of us struggle to name one person they know who has died of the virus
Some of us are sick of the online scaremongering. Completely unjustisfied.wipe your fanny .
Im just waiting to hear if pur player who has got it haa died yet; or if,as per normal he will just be off work fo a few days,and return fit and well as tho nowt had happened.
This is getting ridiculous now.world has gone mad.
We know heaprh secretary matt hancock has 75k shares in the company producing the vaccine to 'save us'.what we dont know is how many shrares BJ has....i await his safety speech later........
Rant over.

My dads mate is in hospital right now with it, he can't breathe very well but he's getting better. Should he just wipe his fanny and suck it up with his oxygen mask on in his hospital bed?

The illness might not be a problem for most people but the long term effects are poorly understood. A recent study showed 80% of those checked after having the virus all had abnormal heart MRI's...

You do not want to catch this virus and the only idiots saying get a grip on it are the ones who have never had it. They will be saying differently when it's their friends or family on a ventilator or them wheezing for breath calling for an ambulance.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30701-5/fulltext

 

[BlueHammer85]

just a few days ago, we had a massive long email saying we should be looking to go back to work (London) by end of October. No chance.

 

[quiet_riot]

The real game changer has been the kids going back to schools and colleges, we all know full well they don't wear masks and they aren't social distancing. This is also backed up by the data which shows that most cases over the last few weeks are in the under 30's.

I saw a graph yesterday that said 21% of all 'disruption' (people isolating, etc) was caused by schools. The govts response is to shut pubs an hour early....

 

[BlueHammer85]

July = More employees should return to work rather than stay at home to ensure "the economic engines of this country are fired up again", Michael Gove has told Sky News.

2 months later = Mr Gove is asking people to work from home if they can.

 

[grunge]

Nearly a third of recent ‘Covid deaths’ were not caused by Covid.

From the article:

Yet we still get more ludicrous restrictions. Yes, I know people have died from Covid. That isn't the point. It is the rationale for lockdowns that really must be critiqued (they aren't in the article above - I include it only because it undermines official statistics yet again (how can people have confidence in these idiots), after their useless models were miles out, their incompetence over testing, useless masks that still have no medical validity, and the stupid rules which simply delay the inevitable costing the country millions of jobs and billions of pounds in the process). Sadly all our politicians are yes men and women. They have failed the public big time, every single one of them. The press have done exactly the same. Hardly any have interrogated the problems that are so obvious and looked at alternatives.

A few points.

1) 28% were "with covid" but not the primary cause in the last 8 weeks. before that the rate was far lower than that.

2) It doesn't undermine any official stats as these are the official stats! it comes from the Office of national statistics.

3) the models were based on no action. we took action therefore effected the result.

 

[purplenose]

It's interesting that cases have only spiked in recent weeks and not when the pubs opened 3 months ago. It can't be correct that any recklessness in the summer is responsible for the rises now. The data from Public Health England (track and trace) shows that only around 4-5% of identified cases occurred in pubs/restaurants etc.

The real game changer has been the kids going back to schools and colleges, we all know full well they don't wear masks and they aren't social distancing. This is also backed up by the data which shows that most cases over the last few weeks are in the under 30's.

I also know personally that Italian kids don't go back to school until later in September and funnily enough their COVID cases are remaining relatively flat. Spain and France went back the same time we did.

I'd postpone school/college/university openings in spiking areas, bring teaching online and see how it affects the data for the next few weeks. I'd bet my house that cases fall or at least the rate increase will fall. You can prove this again by the areas in local measures who aren't seeing any reductions because the schools are open.

Its seems schools have been one of our countries many areas of denial. This disruption to the education is not good, but trying to push on with schools and colleges and unis is going to come at a high price too. I have a lad just going to uni so the last thing I want is that to be disrupted or fucked up in any way.

Problem is despite the bluster and bullshit from the government it was obvious from the beginning schools would be covid breeding grounds and if we are close to vaccinations or at least to key workers and vulnerable then I cant help wondering if they might have delayed the return of schools until January.

 

[inbetween]

I saw a graph yesterday that said 21% of all 'disruption' (people isolating, etc) was caused by schools. The govts response is to shut pubs an hour early....

Indeed, I reckon schools are the big one but it's also the biggest potential change that is likely to cause economic damage which is why they won't touch it. There is no easy answer really but they could do so much more if they considered the evidence and tried to make small changes that tackle what's really happening.

As you say, closing the pubs an hour earlier will make no difference whatsoever because the evidence on how the virus is spreading proves that it won't.

What the government is doing is putting in pointless rules not founded in evidence that are designed to allow them to blame the public when they fail.

Even the doctors agree that this is the wrong approach.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Many of us pissing it up in pubs this summer actually realiaed that there is little evidence of a pandemic if you turn the tv off,and if you do catch it ,you habe a 99.7 % chance of surviving .
Many more of us struggle to name one person they know who has died of the virus
Some of us are sick of the online scaremongering. Completely unjustisfied.wipe your fanny .
Im just waiting to hear if pur player who has got it haa died yet; or if,as per normal he will just be off work fo a few days,and return fit and well as tho nowt had happened.
This is getting ridiculous now.world has gone mad.
We know heaprh secretary matt hancock has 75k shares in the company producing the vaccine to 'save us'.what we dont know is how many shrares BJ has....i await his safety speech later........
Rant over.

Lol - same as HIV then.