COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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SiMCFC said:
It is impossible to know what the long term affects could/will be though from both the virus and the vaccine that is my only worry. It happened with MMR and it's happened with many others, until there is a better data set which can only come with time I wouldn't personally feel it was right to 'test' it out on a child.
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Spot on,i have little faith that a vaccine will be either effective or safe.
 
England hospital patients 4647 - up 268 in day from 4379. (last Friday was 3090)

Ventilators 482 - same as yesterday. Last Friday 367.
 
SiMCFC said:
It is impossible to know what the long term affects could/will be though from both the virus and the vaccine that is my only worry. It happened with MMR and it's happened with many others, until there is a better data set which can only come with time I wouldn't personally feel it was right to 'test' it out on a child.
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Initial rollout only sees it being given to over 50's
www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

List of who will get vaccine first as experts advise government

A committee looked at who would receive priority for a COVID-19 vaccine
www.liverpoolecho.co.uk www.liverpoolecho.co.uk
 
True_Blue69 said:
50 million will fall sick, are you serious. There are only 68 million people or something in the country and looking at Manchester Uni recently 90% were asymptomatic. Unless you are talking worldwide of course which would probably be about right.
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50 million+ will be infected.

In terms of seriousness of symptoms; asymptomatic rate estimates seem to vary wildly and doubtless by age. I've no idea. Perhaps you do?

I've seen estimates as high as 10% needing hospitalisation. That would be 2,000 a day at the moment, given ~20,000 cases a day. Let's check... last daily admissions were ~800 which will reflect last week's positive tests, due to the lag to admissions, so perhaps 10% of positive tests isn't too far off. Postive tests are perhaps 50% of actual infections, I think? And remember the outbreak currently is in low risk groups predominently.

So let's say 5% hospitalisation is a reasonable guess. That's 2.5 *million* people in hospital, a tenth of those dying.

Is this sounding like getting back to normality to you?
 
True_Blue69 said:
Just seen breaking news that a German court has overturned Berlin's curfew on bars and restaurants. Says the moves were disproportionate. Hopefully we can do the same here, we all know Germany are the ones to follow and have handled this better than anyone else. Somme common sense creeping in at last.
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They Can stay open past the 11pm curfew but they can't sell alcohol so is there much point? Its just more Work for the staff with no extra profit
 
The worry for Greater Manchester now is that whilst Burnham’s issue is with the financial support on offer, too many people will think he is flat out against restrictions (he isn’t) and will use that to legitimise their own shirking of the rules and their responsibility to others. Greater Manchester is fucked, imo.
 
Regional numbers;

London patients up 53 to 457 (wk ago 326) Vents up 2 to 80 (wk ago 50)

Midlands patients up 43 to 801 (wk ago 489) Vents up 4 to 95 (wk ago 76)

NE/Yorks patients 1114 - 1132 (wk ago 777) Vent down 118 to 107 (wk ago 90)


And North West

patients up 95 (most in UK) to 1637 (wk ago 1105) Vent up 149 to 152 (wk ago 122)


That to me seems to show NW adding most patients in total in 24 hrs again and having about 50% more ventilator patients than any other region.

Why are these numbers not aligned with the ones mentioned in the posts above about hospital data improving?
 
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