COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[PannickAtTheDisco]

There's a big difference between doing things fast, and rushing.

The timeline is being greased by money, not by bypassing safety

same thing. Money talks, and they'll want returns, both in a vaccine and a long-term customer base.

 

[Healdplace]

Scottish data up first as usual. And bad again sadly.

17 deaths

1712 cases

At 19.8 % (9.2% on new measure)

584 in Greater Glasgow 457 in Lanarkshire 192 in Lothian and 151 in Ayrshire

928 People in hospital (up 55 )

74 On icu ventilator beds (up 1 )

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Scottish data up first as usual. And bad again sadly.
deaths

17 cases

At 19.8 % (9.2% on new measure)

584 in Greater Glasgow 457 in Lanarkshire 192 in Lothian and 151 in Ayrshire

928 People in hospital (up 55 )

74 On icu ventilator beds (up 1 )

Depressing. Not seeing that plateau which Stuegeon has spoke about? I know there were cases catching up from Sunday but I assumed by today we'd get a more realistic figure. If that's the case, it's much higher than I'd hoped.

 

[Healdplace]

2 wks ago v last wk v today in Scotland:

5 d v 13 d v 17 d

cases 1027 v 1351 v 1712

% positive 13.5 v 17.6 v 19.8

In hospital 377 v 601 v 928

Ventilators 31 v 51 v 74

 

[roubaixtuesday]

same thing. Money talks, and they'll want returns, both in a vaccine and a long-term customer base.

You've misunderstood entirely.

Throwing money at the trials (preparing ahead before previous phase is positive, using more clinical centres to drive recruitment etc) is what speeds it up.

In terms of money, these vaccine programmes are not that significant to the bottom line of big pharma, even if you choose not to believe their promises to provide at low or no profit (and I'd understand cynicism on that front).

And long term customer base? How would that be helped by bypassing safety?

 

[cleavers]

And what if you have to travel for work in a field based role that cannot be done from home?

It's essential for work.

 

[Healdplace]

Only a 70% increase in cases over two weeks is slightly promising as it is still a rise but not a rapid one - and deaths not rising quite so fast this week as they might given the recent jump into double figutres - but I agree there is little ground for over optomism given the hospital data is still rising at around 50% a week up - just as it is across England. So it is too early to say any corner has been turned.

I am a little baffled by the posts in here over the past day suggesting progress and numbers going down - as they are 5 days old numbers about places like the North East and they were certainly not going down yesterday as they had a record high.

Or Fallowfield and Rusholme in the chart posted above - where that drop is very obviously the fall after the high student population in those areas which created that big Manchester number of over 1000 one day and has indeed now reduced. But in the days since (the 'accurate figures from the actual day of test) the data in Manchester has had numbers up from the low 300s then to 403, 460, 379 and 501. Which does not look like a reduction. Unless redistribution changes things a lot. As it might but we will not know for a few days.

I know the argument about older data being more precise but I would not just be trusting week old trends that it is revealing and making decisions based on them.

Though I dearly hope I am wrong to be so wary of those thinking this is not looking as bad as it seems. But to me it still seems to be at that tipping point.

 

[cleavers]

Do you work from home?

Both why ? Work would be fine, hence "non essential".

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Yeah, don't disagree with you but was more meaning with regards to the daily case numbers. They've maybe slowed the increase slightly but still going quite fast in the wrong direction. At this stage it's too early to say what kind of number they will peak at, I had hoped we were getting there given the comments over past couple of days but now I'm not so sure.

 

[Nellies left peg]

And what if you have to travel for work in a field based role that cannot be done from home?

As long as you stay 2 metres from the scarecrow in the middle you should be ok