COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Another recorded low for test and trace. 59% contacted. Dame Dido will be sending back her honour no doubt

I’d imagine the government will be announcing they’re getting a huge refund!

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Just bizarre, conspiratorial thinking.

Good business, which is why they exist. If they can demonstrate the 5-10 year effects of their vaccine before it is released, I'm all ears.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Good business, which is why they exist. If they can demonstrate the 5-10 year effects of their vaccine before it is released, I'm all ears.

I’d imagine it will only last for 6 months, so will need to be purchased annually. Flu jab at Boots was £15. As it’s supposed to be 20 times worse than flu, it wouldn’t be a surprise if it were to cost quite a bit more.....

 

[Healdplace]

Light was Yellow - I do understand the difference between daily reported case numbers and the subaequent redistribution. And I thinki both patterns are informative. But I would not call the data completely useless because it will be split over several recent days. If a number added goes up day to day even after redistribution it presumably tells you the general trend is up, not down, surely?

And - yes - happily less people are going to die this time around than last time - as we know so much more and have better interventions.

But we have had over 100 hospital deaths in the UK from Covid most recent days. It was 108 last Thursday and seems all but certain to be higher today. Even increasing at a modest pace we are going to be at 300 or so within two or three weeks. Not sure where the acceptable threshold is reached that will not trigger what may or may not be an over reaction but will indeed be a reaction.

Because, despite the nuances that can be placed on death numbers which I think most in here understand as it has been talked over often, politicians react to public opinion and that will respond to raw numbers not mitigation of those numbers via annual death rates etc.

Crises tend to be driven by knee jerk reactions whether or not that is wise. And, I agree, it often isn't.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Looks like Burnham was right after all. London goes into Tier 2 and support for that tier goes up the day before.

 

[blueparrot]

I’d imagine it will only last for 6 months, so will need to be purchased annually. Flu jab at Boots was £15. As it’s supposed to be 20 times worse than flu, it wouldn’t be a surprise if it were to cost quite a bit more.....

Why would you imagine that it will only last 6 months, based on what. The fact Covid is a worse virus than flu doesn't mean the vaccine is more complicated nor more expensive.

 

[Healdplace]

What I would like to see is someone explain to the people of Greater Manchester what the last 3 months have been for and why the greater hardships they are being asked to go through for however many months it is then why will THESE (what look like modest) changes make the difference when the past 3 months seem only to have helped numbers go through the roof?

Is there ANY evidence that the restrictions in GM up to now have saved any lives or cut the numbers that would have been tested positive anyway?

Because I think that conversation needs to be had if this is all speculative.

I doubt the people of Wigan think that weeks of restrictions have in any way worked.

The question nobody seems to be asking is - if not, then why not? And why will it now be different under the new rules? And if so how?

That kind of honesty needs to be aired as I fear some think these are just doing something because something clearly has to be done and not because we are confident they will work.

Is GM a petri dish as Andy Burnham says? Or being shown the way to escape a bad second wave? Or just being used so it looks like the government is reacting to control the uncontrollable?

People will rally together and forgive a lot if they believe in what they are being asked to do but they rarely forgive dishonesty at their expense.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Light was Yellow - I do understand the difference between daily reported case numbers and the subaequent redistribution. And I thinki both patterns are informative. But I would not call the data completely useless because it will be split over several recent days. If a number added goes up day to day even after redistrubiution it tells you the general tred up, now down, surely?

And - yes - happily less people are going to die this time around than last time - as we know so much more and have better interventions.

But we have had over 100 hospital deaths in the UK from Covid most recent days. It was 108 last Thursday and seems all but certain to be higher today. Even increasing at a modest pace we are going to be at 300 or so within two or three weeks. Not sure where the acceptable threshold is reached that will not trigger what may or may not be an over reaction but will indeed be a reaction.

Because, despite the nuances that can be placed on death numbers which I think ost in here understand as it has been talked over often, politiciand react to public opinion and that will respond to raw numbers not mitigation of thise numbers via annual death rates etc.

Crises tend to be drive by knee jerk reactions whether or not that is wise. And, I agree, it often isn't.

I understand that you well appreciate the differences but I’m not sure that’s universally true.
Before anyone jumps in, I do know this isn’t ‘flu’ but we did have 27000+ deaths from flu and pneumonia in 2014/15 which equates to 200 a day, everyday. ICU’s were full and elective surgery was cancelled, because that’s what happens and it happens most years, to be honest.
I don’t seek to underplay COVID at all, but I do think we are now possibly entering the ‘cure being worse than the disease’ phase when we look at the demographics of those affected. The reality is that, if you’re over 80 in a ‘normal’ year, there is a 1 in 6 chance that you will not see out the following 12 months and those odds shrink every year.

 

[03 March 2002]

Just bizarre, conspiratorial thinking.

Don't know what you do for work mate but really disheartening to see this crap isn't it?

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Why would you imagine that it will only last 6 months, based on what. The fact Covid is a worse virus than flu doesn't mean the vaccine is more complicated nor more expensive.

Looks like that’s about how long antibodies last and SAGE seem to be completely ignoring T-Cell immunity, which many people will have had, so antibody vaccines look like all the rage.
It’ll cost more because people aren’t shit scared of the flu but everyone is terrified of coronavirus. Which circumstance do you think might drive a price differential? Of course, big pharma might have turned altruistic during this crisis but the fact that there is a race on suggests there will be a large profit at the end of it all.