COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

From Travelling Tabby, not including today's yet (along with Healdplace the only places I look for statistics. If only Healdplace could have her own thread for simply reporting the figures so that I don't have to trawl through all the rest to find information!)
| ....................................................Figures / million pop ..........................................................|
Deaths overall - Cases overall - Tests overall -- Deaths 7 Days - Cases 7 Days - Tests 7 Days % Positive 7 Day
England - 742 --------- 16,207 --------- 452,849 --------- 27.9 --------- 2,389 --------- 28,966 ---------- 9.9
Scotland - 527 --------- 12,266 --------- 412,261 ---------- 27.6 --------- 1,430 --------- 22,813 ----------- 9.0
Wales --- 601 --------- 17,272 --------- 376,907 --------- 33.3 --------- 2,984 --------- 23,921 ---------- 11.1
N Ireland - 385 --------- 21,217 --------- 405,246 --------- 31.2 --------- 2,442 --------- 23,483 ----------- 11.5

Estimated R
England 1.1 - 1.3
Scotland 1.0 - 1.3
Wales 1.0 - 1.4
N Ireland 0.8 - 1.1
The figures I was using was the past week’s, in discussion with another poster about any genuine critique of the First Minister compared to the slating the Prime Minister has received this week.
Yet, even using your figures, there’s no discernible difference in deaths, which is such a surprise as one has done a wonderful job whilst the other has been woeful. Suffice to say managing a population half the size of London, with the double advantage of space, and with stricter lockdowns has led to similar disasters. Therefore I believe it’s right to conclude that the First Minister has not made a better fist of it.

It’s quite straight forward that you certainly haven’t let facts get in the way.
 
Regional scoreboard not looking good.

London 2307 up from 1575 - highest in a week

Midlands 3256 - up from 2152 - highest here yet,

North East 1272 - down from 1302

Yorkshire 3617 - up from 2994.

But NW again the big epicentre - up from 3915 to 5020 - back to where things were a week ago sadly almost exactly (totals of 4991 and 5032 six and seven days ago)
 
It’s harrowing how many people want mass extended lockdowns, destroying people’s livelihoods, causing deaths through life threatening illness’s which are no longer considered a priority, altering the landscape of our social existence, and then want a vaccination forced upon them all to save the nhs! It’s like something out of a horror movie!
Its this one thought step at a time thinking like that which causes the lambs to be led.
"causing deaths through life threatening illness’s which are no longer considered a priority" that is not the case emergency work is still continuing. Just how much hospital capacity would be available if serious Covid cases exploded and filled all the beds?
"It’s like something out of a horror movie!" No its fkin not, what is a horror movie is selfish idiots who for god knows what reason refuse to do simple things like wear a mask, keep your distance from others and engage brain at all times. Its not difficult but because of the refusers we are all now in a second lockdown.
 
Its this one thought step at a time thinking like that which causes the lambs to be led.
"causing deaths through life threatening illness’s which are no longer considered a priority" that is not the case emergency work is still continuing. Just how much hospital capacity would be available if serious Covid cases exploded and filled all the beds?
"It’s like something out of a horror movie!" No its fkin not, what is a horror movie is selfish idiots who for god knows what reason refuse to do simple things like wear a mask, keep your distance from others and engage brain at all times. Its not difficult but because of the refusers we are all now in a second lockdown.

what a ridiculous statement to make. If anything we are in this position because of two things, a shifting in the goal posts from mortality and captaincy to infection and predicted capacity in hospitals, frankly they’ve shelved most medical treatment and got the public so scared they won’t even go to a hospital so I don’t know how this is the case and.....

the government actively encouraged the country to go out and get social with their eat out to help out, no flight restrictions and lax approach. You are welcome to blame people if you want but this mess lies at the doors of incompetent government.
 
Sadly GM is way back up to where it was a week or more ago at its highest ever level.

No idea if the figures for past days were botched but a rise of 455 today to go back up to 2599.

This is a slight fall of the NW total to 51.8%.

Other parts of the NW were up today - even Merseyside - but not quite to a degree we see here.

GM had just 4 boroughs under 200 and 3 were over 300.

One GM borough set a new UK daily pop score record by going up a whopping 155 in the day.

This was Oldham, way out of control again and setting a new record high of 368 cases for that town unfortunately.

A rise from 168 across 48 hours.
 
Sadly GM is way back up to where it was a week or more ago at its highest ever level.

No idea if the figures for past days were botched but a rise of 455 today to go back up to 2599.

This is a slight fall of the NW total to 51.8%.

Other parts of the NW were up today - even Merseyside - but not quite to a degree we see here.

GM had just 4 boroughs under 200 and 3 were over 300.

One GM borough set a new UK daily pop score record by going up a whopping 155 in the day.

This was Oldham, way out of control again and setting a new record high of 368 cases for that town unfortunately.

A rise from 168 across 48 hours.
Interesting that you should say that.
I check the figures for our ward every night and they have been coming down steadily for the last five days. Another drop today of seven cases over the week.
 
The figures I was using was the past week’s, in discussion with another poster about any genuine critique of the First Minister compared to the slating the Prime Minister has received this week.
Yet, even using your figures, there’s no discernible difference in deaths, which is such a surprise as one has done a wonderful job whilst the other has been woeful. Suffice to say managing a population half the size of London, with the double advantage of space, and with stricter lockdowns has led to similar disasters. Therefore I believe it’s right to conclude that the First Minister has not made a better fist of it.

It’s quite straight forward that you certainly haven’t let facts get in the way.
Presumably you agree that your "..a death rate twice the size of England’s" was an exaggeration - which was the point I was making.

I didn't make any claim about how effective the First Minister's policies had been overall, because, as you say, there is not an awful lot to choose between the statistics for the four home nations. I also kept my thoughts about the Prime Minister's policies to myself. The First Minister however, does come across to me as being more caring than the Prime Minister and faces questions every weekday. To me she is also more consistent in approach, at least within the bounds of having to respond to a dynamic situation, and explains the rationale behind her actions more clearly. I think she is better supported by, in particular, the Clinical Director who has a very straightforward manner (and seems to have been given rather more licence to speak for himself than has previously seemed the case for the UK advisors).

I also think that your caricature of Scotland population distribution in relation to England as being a huge advantage is somewhat flawed.
In 2018 a paper was produced by the Scottish Government giving key facts about Rural Scotland
( https://www.gov.scot/publications/rural-scotland-key-facts-2018/pages/2/ )
This divides Scotland into three areas -
Remote Rural - this makes up 70% of the land mass and is populated by just 6% of the population;
Accessible Rural - this makes up 28% of the land mass and is populated by 11% of the population, and,
The Rest of Scotland (Cities, Urban areas and small towns) make up only 2% of the land mass but are home to 83% of the population.
So average population density is of very little relevance.

I was brought up in Reddish went to university in Leeds and have lived in Scotland for 27 years and from my own experience the demographics of the Central Belt are not much different from the M62 corridor. Overall poverty levels are high in Scotland with Glasgow being considered in some studies as the most deprived City in the UK. That in turn leads to underlying health issues which might be thought to increase the mortality of Covid-19 victims.

Add to this the problem of supplying health services to the Remote Rural Areas and I hope you will see that your inference that Scotland should be doing much better than England is not very soundly based on the evidence.
 
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