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So why the fuck has everyone utterly failed with this?
They assume viruses are not too infectious when people are not showing symptoms. SARS is infectious when symptoms are not showing. Although this virus jumped species to get to us it is a not too distant relative of the common cold and that is neigh on impossible to contain.
 
A lot of trials work can be carried out using computer modelling and simulations, but where safety is concerned, there is no way of skipping live trials on humans.
that is what i mean,the human trials are on 1,000's of people,there are no short cuts on that,our head medical guy is saying a year would be amazing but it will be longer
 
I don’t want to add to Ric’s bandwidth troubles but a Coronavirus conspiracy thread could be a fun way to pass the time.
I think it may be an even more fruitful fishing technique on RAWK. The ever present tendency to victimhood along with the genuine misfortune they have suffered with the timing of this virus would make for much fun.
 
So why the fuck has everyone utterly failed with this?

Ultimately we (as in the western world) risked it to try and keep the economy running.

It is worth remembering that the economy dropping also causes deaths too so it’s always a balancing act. Ideally, we’d have just closed our borders “just in case” and enjoyed being an island state for a while. We can’t because of the globalised economy and supply chain we are dependent on though.
 
Why do PHE and Boris Johnson keep saying that they will introduce the right measures at the right time? All the measures are needed now.

Sort the testing out. We don't just need numbers we need follow-ups. It's a lot to do. The University of Padua in Italy cleared a Northern Italian town of virus by tracing the asymptomatic carriers. I have just emailed the vice-chancellor of University of Manchester suggesting we do this. Why not?
 
As in some of the trials are focussed on putting the code into pre existing vaccines. That gets rid of a lot of potential complications and can reduce the amount of trials required. That’s what a couple of the American companies are focussing on.
Sorry but a new vaccine has to be that,a new vaccine,new human trials,new licencing,i will leave it there but just don't expect it for a year,other drugs are being looked at in the meantime to see if they might help
 
that is what i mean,the human trials are on 1,000's of people,there are no short cuts on that,our head medical guy is saying a year would be amazing but it will be longer

Surely you know not to just trust his judgement by now though? ;)
 
Why do PHE and Boris Johnson keep saying that they will introduce the right measures at the right time? All the measures are needed now.

Sort the testing out. We don't just need numbers we need follow-ups. It's a lot to do. The University of Padua in Italy cleared a Northern Italian town of virus by tracing the asymptomatic carriers. I have just emailed the vice-chancellor of University of Manchester suggesting we do this. Why not?

What qualifications and experience have you got to state that?

Why are you emailing the vice-chancellor of University of Manchester?

This is just so OTT.
 
Surely you know not to just trust his judgement by now though? ;)
he is testing my faith,i think we have it wrong and wasted time,for him to say they are surprised at the speed of spread of the virus seems ridiculous when we had time to see it coming and how it spread in china and italy,i was confident till yesterday
 
the trials can't be skipped,the safety trials take as long as they tak e,it will a min one year then healthcare workers will get it first then us sometime after,the money is there
think they can skip a lot of the red tape though which will save months I would imagine
 
What qualifications and experience have you got to state that?

Why are you emailing the vice-chancellor of University of Manchester?

This is just so OTT.
because I work there, and I have used PCR kit. If the University of Padua can do it, why can't the University of Manchester?
 
I think you should bring in a rule to link references when posters are stating things as fact. It's like a wikipedia moderator's christmas party night on here at the moment.
To be fair, many of us have responded to many posts like that asking for sourcing so it can be determined to be reputable or not and have encouraged everyone to link to articles and reports that reference what they are posting about, when possible.

I don’t think we can functionally enforce a rule like that, though.
 
Sorry but a new vaccine has to be that,a new vaccine,new human trials,new licencing,i will leave it there but just don't expect it for a year,other drugs are being looked at in the meantime to see if they might help

Yes but the new trials don’t need to cover as much as they used to. The Americans are using a vaccine developed already in the sixties as it’s already gone through testing, they’re then adding in the code for the virus. It means they don’t have to test their base vaccine again so can shorten it (that’s a very simple way of putting it, but essentially what they are trying!)
 
he is testing my faith,i think we have it wrong and wasted time,for him to say they are surprised at the speed of spread of the virus seems ridiculous when we had time to see it coming and how it spread in china and italy,i was confident till yesterday

Simply no one would accept the draconian measure of shutting shop straight away.
In the weeks leading to the spread over here the front line would have to have been prepared, briefed and equipped to tackle this. Step by step seems the best way out of all the impossible options.
 
I think it may be an even more fruitful fishing technique on RAWK. The ever present tendency to victimhood along with the genuine misfortune they have suffered with the timing of this virus would make for much fun.
Have you had a quick glance at RAWK lately?

And people think this thread is paranoid and doom mongering. :-)
 
Why do PHE and Boris Johnson keep saying that they will introduce the right measures at the right time? All the measures are needed now.

Sort the testing out. We don't just need numbers we need follow-ups. It's a lot to do. The University of Padua in Italy cleared a Northern Italian town of virus by tracing the asymptomatic carriers. I have just emailed the vice-chancellor of University of Manchester suggesting we do this. Why not?


Do let us know if you get a reply.
 
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