COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[ganganvince]

Literally no one is forcing anyone.

But business owners have a legal responsibility to protect staff and customers by allowing non vaccinated people in could leave them open to a law suit.

 

[domalino]

It's coercion. Different tactic, same end result.

Frankly I don't give a fuck if some selfish stupid prick has to get coerced into having a vaccine so he stops spreading a virus and killing people.

The world doesn't revolve around the 5% of idiots who think a vaccine is a conspiracy.

If you've got fears about a vaccine, stay at home until you're convinced, just like all the immunocompromised people have been house ridden for 10 months because they can't risk going out. Read about it, educate yourself.

If you really think it's a giant conspiracy then you will forgo seeing James Bond or going to Prezzo to stay safe.

We need 95%+ uptake for the virus to die out in the population. Until that point people are still going to be dying.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Literally no one is forcing anyone.

Saying you can't come in my restaurant if you haven't been vaccinated is not forcing you to get a vaccine.

So preventing people from socialising or travelling isn't forcing people?

OK....

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Indeed, but when was the last time you had to get a health passport out at your local cinema? It's clearly very different.

Well that should be left to the establishment imho. But it would probably make sense for them to introduce such a policy themselves to attract people back to safe environments.

 

[twosips]

Frankly I don't give a fuck if some selfish stupid prick has to get coerced into having a vaccine so he stops spreading a virus and killing people.

The world doesn't revolve around the 5% of idiots who think a vaccine is a conspiracy.

Well, good for you. Once again, and I feel the need to keep repeating this as there's a huge subtext implying that you think I feel this way, I'm not anti-vaccine. My issues with this just come from the whole 'well, what next?' can of worms that it opens. You're alright to disagree. Fair enough. Anyway, presuming you're around the same age as me, that means an awful fucking long time of no fun given we'll be right near the bottom of the queue anyway!

 

[domalino]

So preventing people from socialising or travelling isn't forcing people?

OK....

No.

Do you feel forced to have the yellow fever vaccine because you can't go to Brazil without it?

 

[domalino]

Well, good for you. Once again, and I feel the need to keep repeating this as there's a huge subtext implying that you think I feel this way, I'm not anti-vaccine. My issues with this just come from the whole 'well, what next?' can of worms that it opens. You're alright to disagree. Fair enough. Anyway, presuming you're around the same age as me, that means an awful fucking long time of no fun given we'll be right near the bottom of the queue anyway!

You do know that the slippery slope/thin end of the wedge/can of worms argument is literally a famous logical fallacy that's been disproven a million times?

I know you're not anti-vax, and I know you and I (I'm 28) will be right at the end of the queue, but I don't think you have grasped how difficult it is to wipe this virus out, and the amount of uptake needed. It's not 60%, it's closer to 95%.

 

[FantasyIreland]

No.

Do you feel forced to have the yellow fever vaccine because you can't go to Brazil without it?

Thats been around for years with no side effect concerns,its proven.

Huge difference.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

It's coercion. Different tactic, same end result.

its the proprietors right surely? the other side of the coin is saying restaurants must let people in who may be carrying a contagious deadly disease?

 

[twosips]

its the proprietors right surely? the other side of the coin is saying restaurants must let people in who may be carrying a contagious deadly disease?

Fair point!