COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[kevin horlocks wand]

After watching the BBC & Sky news they seem to think as for certain sports getting called off and schools closing that's not what will happen in this cobra meeting. Johnson is sticking with what the science folk in this country is telling him, and it's none of the above.

why do they always talk about taking drastic action by closing football games. Why is it never west end shows or concerts , or award ceremonies ?

piers Morgan goes on about the govt shutting the uk down and It not taking enough action. But him and his presenters are happy to attend all the luvvy award ceremonies every night in London.

of course he wants it all shut down it doesn’t affect him, it just means there will be more people at home watching him shouting on tv.

the response needs to be proportionate and balanced. Of course we could lock the country down , allow no external or internal travel close the borders for a couple of months and it might contain the spread better but the devastation to the economy will be far more harmful in the medium to longer term.

imagine the number of businesses that go under , that local family restaurant , your local butcher all the small business who live week to week . These businesses are not BP they don’t have reserves to live off for weeks or months.

and before people say we are putting money before people. The economy needs money to pay for the NHS and all the public services to help people through this crisis and the other side.

this panic is already impacting the poorer , they can barely afford their weekly shop never mind a months worth of shopping in one go as people are now doing. Food banks are very low due to people stockpiling for themselves.

For me those with pre exiting conditions and / or elderly should be in isolation in their homes supported by a task force giving them food and support. those fit and able should be getting on with life , working from home if and when we can and taking sensible precautions as we go about our business.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

People travelling from affected areas and passing it directly to another. What the heat may do (along with the associated UV) is kill the virus quicker so it cannot exist for as long on surfaces where the temperature is at that level. Indoor areas will still be at risk of keeping the virus alive.

Sounds right to me.
Non-extreme heat doesn't immediately destroy it, but will increase degradation. It survives perfectly well at about 37 degrees, after all.
Direct sunlight probably will increase degradation, as UV light will do that.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

Sounds right to me.
Non-extreme heat doesn't immediately destroy it, but will increase degradation. It survives perfectly well at about 37 degrees, after all.
Direct sunlight probably will increase degradation, as UV light will do that.

The UV-C portion is very weak at the earth's surface due to the ozone layer so it isn't something to fully rely on. The machines that sterilize equipment use a higher - and dangerous to humans - level of UV-C, or Far-UV which is new technology. I'm reading so much stuff these days.

https://www.hepacart.com/blog/what-to-look-for-when-comparing-uv-sterilization-devices

 

[cibaman]

After watching the BBC & Sky news they seem to think as for certain sports getting called off and schools closing that's not what will happen in this cobra meeting. Johnson is sticking with what the science folk in this country is telling him, and it's none of the above.

Although it seems that it’s not so much what the scientists are telling them about how the virus will spread, more how the behavioural psychologists are predicting the public will respond to any measures that are introduced

 

[Cheer Up Peter Reid]

It's a really difficult balancing act. The science says around 3/4 of us will eventually get it but as long as the required medical care is available all but the most vulnerable should get through it. So the key is to keep infections to a level that maintains capacity within the health systems. The problem is when they make a change, for example stopping sporting events or closing schools they won't start to see any impacts for around 2 weeks. It's like steering an oil tanker where it takes miles and miles for a rudder input to alter the course. The problem is that no one is properly trained to captain this particular ship and there are an awful lot of back seat drivers.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

The UV-C portion is very weak at the earth's surface due to the ozone layer so it isn't something to fully rely on. The machines that sterilize equipment use a higher - and dangerous to humans - level of UV-C, or Far-UV which is new technology. I'm reading so much stuff these days.

https://www.hepacart.com/blog/what-to-look-for-when-comparing-uv-sterilization-devices

It will still speed degradation of nucleic acids (viruses) though, on exposure. Not instantly though, and it would take a fair while to completely destroy it.

27 degrees can't be the reason the virus is destroyed.

 

[Nightmare Walking]

why do they always talk about taking drastic action by closing football games. Why is it never west end shows or concerts , or award ceremonies ?

piers Morgan goes on about the govt shutting the uk down and It not taking enough action. But him and his presenters are happy to attend all the luvvy award ceremonies every night in London.

of course he wants it all shut down it doesn’t affect him, it just means there will be more people at home watching him shouting on tv.

the response needs to be proportionate and balanced. Of course we could lock the country down , allow no external or internal travel close the borders for a couple of months and it might contain the spread better but the devastation to the economy will be far more harmful in the medium to longer term.

imagine the number of businesses that go under , that local family restaurant , your local butcher all the small business who live week to week . These businesses are not BP they don’t have reserves to live off for weeks or months.

and before people say we are putting money before people. The economy needs money to pay for the NHS and all the public services to help people through this crisis and the other side.

this panic is already impacting the poorer , they can barely afford their weekly shop never mind a months worth of shopping in one go as people are now doing. Food banks are very low due to people stockpiling for themselves.

For me those with pre exiting conditions and / or elderly should be in isolation in their homes supported by a task force giving them food and support. those fit and able should be getting on with life , working from home if and when we can and taking sensible precautions as we go about our business.

You speak a lot of sense and in principal I agree with what you say in regards to balance.
But the issue with me is the NHS. I don't think people understand how overworked they are under normal circumstances.
Now I have Crohns disease and it can be very severe. Before Xmas my kidneys failed twice and I had two stays in hospital. The first time I went to Crumpsall. While I was waiting for a bed, I was sat in a corridor on a drip. In this corridor there were old people lay on beds, being treated in absolutely freezing conditions. There were people having bloods taken in waiting rooms. It was horrendous.
Now I got out and a week later my kidneys failed again and I was in a really bad way. I managed to get myself to the MRI. I had a 5 hour wait while they took my bloods, was told that I would be staying in. I had a cannula put in and drip attached, then had to sit in the A&E waiting room for 6 hours while they found a bed they transport people on to procedures for me. Another 12 hours later I got onto a ward.
The staff were absolutely fantastic but there is absolutely no way the NHS can cope. Not a chance.

 

[BlueHammer85]

PM set to escalate UK's response in a matter of hours has been the headline for about 16 hours now

 

[Blue Hefner]

I said the other day we were being groomed to 'other' the elderly and those with 'underlying conditions' and it seems to be ramping up - people calling for people to carry on as usual and the old to be separated.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Sounds right to me.
Non-extreme heat doesn't immediately destroy it, but will increase degradation. It survives perfectly well at about 37 degrees, after all.
Direct sunlight probably will increase degradation, as UV light will do that.

I agree with @TheRemainsOfTheDave on this as well. There is reasonable grounds for hope that summer may bring some respite. The scientists will have modelled all of this and will be looking at measures to try to lower the peak - push cases out a few weeks/months - as much as possible. Fuck it, I am going to draw it...

What we want is the green line, not the red one.