COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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I think this is the key graph from the ICL study, not the other one that's been posted around.

This shows you why they are not closing the schools. Our current strategy is the orange line. Closing the schools is green. look at November.

They will probably close the schools in April going by this data, to stop the peak above redline seen on the orange line in May.

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the advice is one person shows symptoms the whole house has to isolate for 14 days,they have no grounds to say she has to go in,they might be getting confused with schools not closing,she needs to send them the link with the official advice

I thought as much Karen, we have a meeting tomorrow about it so it will all get brought up!
 
Yes, but we’re putting measures in place to flatten the curve.

Flatten yes obviously but now they are actively trying to suppress it. The mitigation strategy is now axed. Strategy is now suppression as they were modelling the wrong virus. The modelling press conference made it clear there was a change in strategy.

Basically exactly what medics were screaming from rooftops about “mitigation” not supression strategy... we don’t have the critical care capacity even of Italy. question is that now we are trying to suppress, would that not have worked better a week ago’ @BBC



 
Gutted that I’m back to civilisation, it’s been great being off grid for the last 3 days.

Wish I had enough money to stay remote and just play golf and get pissed.
 
I always calibrated the difference between a cold and flu by way of whether you wanked or not. No way anyone’s wanking whilst they’re in the eye of the storm of flu. Coming out the other end, maybe, mainly due to boredom overcoming fatigue.

Anyone know Covid-19’s impact on wanking levels?

I think there'll be knocking off effects. The production will experience delays due to the virus reducing the number of available semen, so jizz in time production systems will be impacted. There may be opportunities for those acting in the sperm of the moment but the rest of us will have to tug it out.
 
Also from the BBC (Faisal Islam)

‘Also, as it was explained to me, in simple terms

- key modelling is based on influenza... hence obsession with second peak like Spanish flu.

- A Coronavirus is not influenza.

- Public health experts were not saying the same thing as mathematical modellerss = split in science’
 
I think this is the key graph from the ICL study, not the other one that's been posted around.

This shows you why they are not closing the schools. Our current strategy is the orange line. Closing the schools is green. look at November.

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The more granular view of that graph is very important to understand “Orange” line strategy.

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The last paragraph from the 16 March report is also important — I have bolded the relevant bit below.

“We show that in the UK and US context, suppression will minimally require a combination of social distancing of the entire population, home isolation of cases and household quarantine of their family members. This may need to be supplemented by school and university closures, though it should be recognised that such closures may have negative impacts on health systems due to increased absenteeism. The major challenge of suppression is that this type of intensive intervention package – or something equivalently effective at reducing transmission – will need to be maintained until a vaccine becomes available (potentially 18 months or more) – given that we predict that transmission will quickly rebound if interventions are relaxed.We show that intermittent social distancing – triggered by trends in disease surveillance – may allow interventions to be relaxed temporarily in relative short time windows, but measures will need to be reintroduced if or when case numbers rebound. Last, while experience in China and now South Korea show that suppression is possible in the short term, it remains to be seen whether it is possible long-term, and whether the social and economic costs of the interventions adopted thus far can be reduced.”
 
Highly unlikely. Sadly, he virus mutating into somthing worse is more likely.

Where do you get the idea from that it will mutate into something worse?

It's already mutated, in fact, viruses are pretty much constantly mutating, however the actual more likely outcome is that once people have recovered from the current strain they will have at least some form of immunity against any new mutation. Even if it's only partial immunity this would mean that the disease would more than likely be less serious than previously.

Why do some feel the need to try to scare people even more in what is already a pretty scary situation?
 
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Flatten yes obviously but now they are actively trying to suppress it. The mitigation strategy is now axed. Strategy is now suppression as they were modelling the wrong virus. The modelling press conference made it clear there was a change in strategy.

Basically exactly what medics were screaming from rooftops about “mitigation” not supression strategy... we don’t have the critical care capacity even of Italy. question is that now we are trying to suppress, would that not have worked better a week ago’ @BBC



I have already discussed this throughout the thread, mate. I was one of those saying they would be changing strategy as soon as ‘herd immunity’ was casually mentioned.

The above post you have quoted was a joke about the mods implementing measures to flatten the curve of this thread going mental. ;-)
 
Why is it bollocks. They are treating us like adults in some ways and giving out the advice as it sees fit. Remember a lot of countries did nothing for weeks hence why they are closing borders etc. If we can limit social contact and reduce the amount of people with the virus is that not a good thing, You can make your own mind up whether or not to go to your local pub, cinema etc or do you need the government to ban you and make it an offence to do so?
I've said it in previousposts before but I'm impressed by how much your government trusts you to do the right thing for the country, it might be a cultural thing but I tend not to trust my general countrymen as far as civic responsibility goes. Better to make sure, as far as I'm concerned. Fair play to you guys if you all self-isolate autonomously.
Because, like many other people, I do things more willingly when asked rather than being told.
But I bet you, like most of us, do things even more willingly if forced to ;) Which usually eliminates uncertainties like unwilling assholes.
France have done it right.

15 days, stay in your homes, thats the only way you prevent it re-emerging, if everybody is quarantined the infected can't pass it on.

I assume they'll have to have the military and police on the streets to enforce it though.
Well what can I say,
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Whilst I agree some people will probably still go out I’m still not sure how you’d fully enforce a lockdown.
How do you enforce a law?

To be fair that plot doesn't fill me with confidence lol. I'll trust 'em experts though.
 
Also from the BBC (Faisal Islam)

‘Also, as it was explained to me, in simple terms

- key modelling is based on influenza... hence obsession with second peak like Spanish flu.

- A Coronavirus is not influenza.

- Public health experts were not saying the same thing as mathematical modellerss = split in science’
Oh, FFS!
 
Gutted that I’m back to civilisation, it’s been great being off grid for the last 3 days.

Wish I had enough money to stay remote and just play golf and get pissed.
I agree with everything you have said except the bit about golf. ;-)
 
I have already discussed this throughout the thread, mate. I was one of those saying they would be changing strategy as soon as ‘herd immunity’ was casually mentioned.

The above post you have quoted was a joke about the mods implementing measures to flatten the curve of this thread going mental. ;-)

Fair enough :)
 
My Mrs’s company has emailed tonight after everyone has left saying something along the lines of “we’ve seen the government message and are looking at ramping up our working from home measures, come in tomorrow and we’ll have a big team meeting and let you know”.

They’re Accountants, they can all literally work from anywhere with internet and all work off laptops.

Why the fuck drag the whole workforce in to then tell them they can work from home?

It’s ludicrous.
A meeting? My God. Genius just fucking genius.
 
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The more granular view of that graph is very important to understand “Orange” line strategy.

BBC7-F911-AF09-441-C-8111-1539-FF5-FB086.jpg


The last paragraph from the 16 March report is also important — I have bolded the relevant bit below.

“We show that in the UK and US context, suppression will minimally require a combination of social distancing of the entire population, home isolation of cases and household quarantine of their family members. This may need to be supplemented by school and university closures, though it should be recognised that such closures may have negative impacts on health systems due to increased absenteeism. The major challenge of suppression is that this type of intensive intervention package – or something equivalently effective at reducing transmission – will need to be maintained until a vaccine becomes available (potentially 18 months or more) – given that we predict that transmission will quickly rebound if interventions are relaxed.We show that intermittent social distancing – triggered by trends in disease surveillance – may allow interventions to be relaxed temporarily in relative short time windows, but measures will need to be reintroduced if or when case numbers rebound. Last, while experience in China and now South Korea show that suppression is possible in the short term, it remains to be seen whether it is possible long-term, and whether the social and economic costs of the interventions adopted thus far can be reduced.”

Ooh, you just replied before I added the zoomed in graph.

Yes that paragraph is interesting, although I think the most interesting bit for people on here who want immediate and total lockdown is actually everything after the bit you bolded - why lockdown won't work.

They've pretty much said China is going to have to be under complete quarantine for 18 months.
 
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